Warlock the Armageddon, the “sequel” to Warlock. It’s really only a sequel in name and the fact that Julian Sands plays the title character in both. The storylines of the two films are mutually incompatible. The sequel goes beyond making the first one irrelevent into making it impossible for both to have occured.
Well, I would have to say the ultimate example of this would be the Friday the 13th series.
Arguably, Terminator 3—but then again, arguably not.
Part of T2’s theme (and plot) being that the future wasn’t set in stone, and that there is, indeed, “no fate but what we make.” Thus averting Skynet’s apocalypse ties in with the future of humanity itself—we’re not doomed to an apocalyptic end. It’s a possibility, but there’s the possibility of avoiding it, if we try. Especially poignient at the time of the movie’s release, at the end of the Cold War.
However, T3 shows us that Skynet’s rise DOES seem to be inevitable—and you can look at this two ways, story wise. Maybe, in the metaphysical sense, predestination exists (like, if I went back in time to stop Oswald from shooting Kennedy, I succeed, but then he’s shot by the unrelated conspirator who was behind the grassy knoll all along; or the universe smites Kennedy with a heart attack as he leaves the plaza because it was his time); or maybe the future (and destiny) is changable, and it just happened that it ended up similar, but not identical to, what happened in the first timeline because most of the same players were involved (like, say, if I went back in time and killed Hitler as a boy, and Hermann Goering ended up spearheading the Nazi party and starting WWII in 1938).
Or maybe the filmmakers just thought, “Hey! Schwarzenegger wants some cash and fresh publicity for a political bid—how bout we make a new Terminator movie? We can have him and a sexy girl Terminator beat the crap out of each other for ninety minutes, and we’ll make a bundle! Eh, who cares why they’re doin’ it. Or if the movie’s crappy—you know everyone’ll see it anyway.”
Nitpick: Connor was the one in New York, Duncan was the one in Seattle and Europe.
The series had been dropping hints that Ritchie was an immortal since the pilot episode.
Granted, though, Highlander 2 made Highlander irrelevant. Highlander 3 pretended that Highlander 2 did not exist, and still made Highlander irrelevant. And the TV series made all 3 movies irrelevant.
The fiasco that was Alien vs Predator is so disconnected from both franchises that I’d say it made them irrelevant.
Or, as I prefer, AvP is the irrelevant one, best forgotten and not given a sequel of its own.
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You’re canon is out of whack. At some point in the series, it was revealed that Connor MacLeod did kill the Kurgan, but the series just pretended that Connor got a great big Quickening, but that battle wasn’t the last two immortals. They pretended the prize part never happened so it was still up for grabs.
Duncan never made Putz Boy into an immortal, the weanie already was destined to be one. (Never fully explained, but the series implied that immortals can sense other immortals and can also sense “soon-to-be immortals”.) Originally, the series was going to be set up so Putz Boy wold be an apprentice right from the get go, so it would be a series more like “Me and MacLeod”, but it was all too annoying, so they waited on that.
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I know this because I frighteningly have several seasons on DVD. (Don’t ask, I blame brain damage.)
Well I have a faint hope for AvP2. It’s a ‘hard R’ for one which by default makes it better then the first. No crappy pyramid below the ice either.
You’ve got Connor and Duncan backwards. Connor was the star of the movie, and Duncan was the star of the series.
And the series actually retcons the movie, slightly - Connor went to New York for the Gathering, but specifically warned Duncan off. Connor kills the Kurgan, but that isn’t the end of the Game, and Connor never claims the prize. For the first season or two, the conceit was that the Gathering was still ongoing. This was quietly dropped around season 3.
And Duncan never made anybody Immortal. His friend, Richie Ryan, after being killed by a mugger in the second season, discovered that he was an Immortal, but Duncan had nothing to do with that (other than taking a special interest in Richie because he knew).
The closest to anybody being ‘made into an Immortal’ was a later episode where this aspect was revisited - one of Duncan’s old (that is to say OLD) friends shows up and arranges the death of the adopted daughter of a couple of his mortal friends - because she’s a proto-Immortal with great artistic talents (a pianist), which this old friend doesn’t want to see restricted to a mortal lifetime.
The closest thing to the nature of Immortals being changed are a few Immortals being implied to have biological parents (though that’s easily ignored as ‘they just weren’t told they were adopted’), and one episode where Richie thought he was a father (he wasn’t).
An aside, how the fuck can you screw up Alien vs Predator?
It’s Aliens. It’s Predator. They’re versus each other.
It’s guaranteed gold. You have to WORK to screw it up.
Inserting badly written, badly acted and utterly superfluous humans into the film was a good start.
there was no Alien3 or 4 or AVP those movies exist only in your nightmares where crappy spinoffs of great films hide.
Actaully having 2 hours of Monsters who don’t speak attacking each other isn’t much better. I think the concept may be gold but the execution was going to be a loser no matter what. Of course if they worked really hard on a plot… maybe…
No, seems like I’m wrong, ignorance fought (with video to boot, so not just fought, but tag teamed 
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I saw it in odd circumstances too, work colleagues took me to see it when I was having problems with my then pregnant girlfriend, a wise choice of film you’d agree :smack:
Edit to say thanks for the Youtube video Speaker for the Dead, at least I correctly identified at the time the dude from Farscape pulling an excellent impersonation of Peter Cushing as Grand Moff Tarkin.
I thought it would have been great rewritten to have dialogue (even subtitled) between the Predators and have them become the “protagonists.”
Can we Add Aliens to that list too? 'cause I really didn’t like that one, so if we get to pick and choose what does or doesn’t exist I’ll keep the one film and jetison the whole franchise.
BTW Having watched the “Directors cut” of Alien3 I have to say there was a good film there but it was butchered for release. Not being a fan of Newt, Mostly, or Reese (or whatever his name was) I really didn’t feel any sorrow for their plight.
I didn’t want to watch anymore space marines with their crappy macho dialogue shooting the place up. I didn’t want Ripley to become super mom again.
I don’t know what others hoped for in the sequel…perhaps the new nuclear family surviving another alien onslaught holed up in their little house on the space prairie waiting for the Marines to arrive in the last reel for a wham bang action finish!!
No thanks.
Alien3 (the full version) was basically about loss, faith and sacrifice despite being in a world where that is meaningless. I agree the theatrical cut was shit. But really the restored directors cut is quite a good film, and there is time taken out for Ripley to mourn the loss of the two. The impact of the loss actually drives Ripley’s character.
and that’s all I gots to say about that…
I’ve never seen the second one but I do love the first one. Could you elaborate? Spoilerbox it if necessary.
Austin Powers 2 junked all of the character development in the first movie within five minutes, which made the first movie irrelevant except for the premise.
The IMDB page gives a brief summary that puts it well, basically…
Plot holes: The opening period sequence predates the first Warlock (1989) period sequence by several hundred years, and the warlock’s “birth” is thwarted and he is finally “born” in modern times, thus nullifying the events of the first Warlock movie.
Can’t agree with you there. I’ve been saying for years that the problem with the Alien franchise is that, after the second one, they kept making movies about the aliens, when they should have been making movies about the Colonial Marines.
It really doesn’t matter that Laurie Strode “killed” Michael Meyers in Halloween. He comes back to life several times in sequels, including Halloween H2O, where she “kills” him again by beheading him. But wait, she accidentally cut off the head of an innocent person wearing Michal Meyers’ mask. This drives her crazy and she has to go to a mental institute (and she can barely talk any more). Not only that, but the real Michael Meyers finds her at the institute in *Halloween: Resurrection * and kills her.
All that effort spent for nothing. :smack: