Anybody EVER Told Your Boss Off?

For some reason my bosses have usually been nice to me. One notable exception was at an IT job a few years back. I had been there two weeks or so, and had just completed an upgrade project with a number of bumps along the way, bumps that I had warned my new boss about during the project planning. He disagreed with me and told me to go ahead with the plan with the aforemetioned results. Cut forward to the weekly staff meeting when the boss proceeds to give an update on projects, and describes the status of my project thusly:

“Well, bayonet’s project almost caused us a full day of down time, way to go bayonet”

I’ve been told that people always expect me to be more emotional than I am, I guess is the latin thing, but I very calmly told him that all the problems we’d had with the project were listed in the project plan under “Corcerns”, and that he had been informed that they were not just likely but certain to happen. I also added that the only reason the project had proceeded despite my concerns was because he had explicitly disagreed with me about the concerns. He looked at me, said we would discuss it later and proceeded with the rest of the meeting.

At the end of the meeting I stayed around and asked him what else he wanted to discuss, he begged off and ran to some other meeting. I later learned from my coworkers that this was his usual management style, blame others for his mistakes and take credit for the successes. Probably because I stood up to him he never tried any of that again with me. He was also fired a couple of years later pretty much for being a jerk.

I don’t think I’ve told off a boss of mine who had control over my employment. Unless you include my mother, then I have told her off (just as she’s told me off numerous times. Working with family can be interesting :)).

The closest I came was when I worked in the dorms as the security/info desk manager. My boss laid into one of my desk assistants the night before and quite upset him. So, I went and talked to her about the incident and stood up for him. Problem straightened out in fifteen minutes with no yelling or bloodspray.

There was a time in the dorms when I told off the hall director on-call because he was making a bad decision. At the same time, I told off the coworker (who was a major flake) for dragging me into the mess and crapping on me. I talked to my supervisor the next day about it, and she was on my side although I was chastised for using harsh language (which I agree was not at all professional of me and not the best way I could have handled the situation).

5 years ago I worked for a heavy equipment dealer. My position was “Warranty Claims Officer”, but it was really the scapegoat position. Whenever somebody in the service department screwed up, I got yelled at. Whenever service was pissed off at the office, I’d get yelled at.

I didn’t work in parts, but I was expected to know to do their job. I had to keep track of our rentals. Now usually, equipment rented out isn’t hard to keep track of. It’s just a machine somebody wanted to use for a job, then bring back. No problem. The sticky part was rock teeth. These are the pointed fittings that go over the teeth of the bucket arm of an excavator. We rented those out, but there was no way to show proper accounting for them on our antiquated software.

The president of the company was pretty much Jesse Helms’ evil twin. His method of management was as Terry Pratchet put it, to yell at whoever happened to be around until it looked like something got done. He expected whoever answered the phone to fix whatever he was in the mood to bitch about it, no matter who it was.

He called me up to yell at me because the rock teeth inventories didn’t match. I tried explaining to him that several different customers had rock teeth rented out, and I didn’t always know when they had brought them back. But no matter what kind of response I gave him, he’d keep yelling at me. Any other management type would have came up with a way to work out a better system for keeping track of the goddamn rock teeth, but the president’s method was holler about it.

I told him “Look, the method we have of keeping track of the rock teeth is too confusing. We need a better system.”

He yelled “Well if you can’t do your job, maybe we better let you go and find somebody else.”

I replied “You better let me go then, cuz I ain’t taking this shit anymore. Fuck off.” and I hung up.

One of the mechanics was in the same room with me and asked me what just happened. I said “I quit” and sped out of the parking lot. That night I went to my coworker’s house and gave her my work clothes and we got drunk. She said everybody who ever worked there wanted to say the same thing to him for years.

The next day I got calls at home from several coworkers who wanted to know what happened. One was from his secretary, who said he told her, “I think I just said something wrong.” NO SHIT SHERLOCK!

It was hard to get a job after that, because I all the sudden had this reputation as a loose cannon. I had been there 9 years! I’m really a pretty nice, level-headed guy. Honest I am!

That’s all water under the bridge. I’m with a great company now, and I plan to stay here till I retire. This is officially 5 years later, when I can fully collect on my ESOP without penalty from the old company! Now my ties with them are officially severed!

I told off my manager once, back in my Retail Days. I was originally hired as “part-time, no benefits”, which means that my average weekly hours couldn’t exceed 18 - 24 in any given quarter.
My manager, however, managed to piss off every single other employee enough that they quit. (I would’ve, but I couldn’t find another job that would accommodate my school schedule).
I worked 9 hours every day except for Tuesday and Thursday, which were my two days off every week.
I asked for a Sunday off once, and she went off on me, telling me how HARD she worked every week and how NICE it “must be” to have REGULAR days off every week and on and on and on.
I informed her in no uncertain terms that the last time I checked, she DID have “REGULAR days off” every week, since SHE did the damn scheduling and managed to schedule herself EVERY WEEKEND entirely off. And that my two “days off” during the week entailed driving for an hour ONE WAY to classes, taking classes from 8 am to 10 pm (or later, depending on the teacher), and driving home again, not to mention getting up at 5 am every Saturday in order to go to 7am computer classes, driving to work and staying at work until 10:00 every Saturday night.
I then told her I really didn’t want to hear about all her “scheduling problems” since I hadn’t had a REAL day off in over three years thanks to her incompetent scheduling (which meant I wound up getting called in on my days off because she “forgot” to schedule someone to cover the closing shift), that I was NOT going to come in on Sunday and I really didn’t CARE whether or not our department was covered that day, and if she didn’t like it she could fire me.

Oddly enough, she didn’t fire me, though needless to say she didn’t think much of me after that. I quit about 3 months later.

I was the dining room manager at a huge restaurant. The rule was no talking in the kitchen. This was basically so that the chef could yell at all the line cooks and servers and they could clearly hear him as he made them all feel incompetent. After countless hours of listening to him I SCREAMED "Why do you have to be such a condescing PRICK!?!?! The chef was silent for the rest of the weekend.

Not only did I not get fired, the whole staff praised me for two weeks. The general manager was his ex-girlfriend. She practically laughed along with the staff. It was a beautiful thing.

[hijack]Wang-Ka, i can soooooo identify with you on that one. from about may last year to december this year i worked at a fast-food chain (begins with m, ends in cdonalds), and there was this total asshole of an assistant manager. i had a total breakdown one shift cos of him, and my mate (the other assistant manager) told me to take a week off, and that i’d actually get paid more to NOT work. anyway, i organised all this with the evil bastard manager, who then refused to pay me the holiday pay when i got back, and put me on all the closes, even tho i had university the next morning.
but i quit in the best way…
i didnt show up for 2 weeks, (in leiu of what he owed me), handed in my notice via the drivethru window, and didnt work the notice either.

and to all those that say ‘aint karma a bitch?’, you’re right. his fiancee left him earlier this year, after publicly humiliating him about what an evil fuck he was to other peeps :slight_smile:

thankyou for listening
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No…but lately I’ve been thinking about it more and more. I applied online to work at Washington Mutual (a bank) and recieved an online ‘test’ of sorts, which I completed. Later that same day, I also recieved an invitation to a group interview at their training center in Richardson for this coming Friday but I can’t because I have to work and there is NO way I could get off in time to go to the session I need to attend. I politely emailed the person who sent me the email back and hope to god there is another session next week I can attend.

I’ve been thinking about yelling and screaming at my boss a LOT lately because of this scheduling thing. See the work week begins on Monday and ends on Sunday. You’d think they’d have the courtesy to put the next week’s schedule out by Fri or Sat at the latest so that plans for the next week could be made. BUt noooooo…they don’t put the next week’s schedule out until SUNDAY night. Which in the least is annoying as hell.

I also wish I had the guts to bitch out my Sandwich Nazi boss about breaks and lunches. We get a break/lunch on his whim only, or on the whim of whichever mgr happens to be on duty. Like today, I went nearly 9 hrs since I’d eaten breakfast without food because the Sandwich Nazi was pissed off and told the mgr on duty no breaks for anybody.>_<

IDBB

So wait, IDBB, if it doesn’t come out until Sunday NIGHT, how do you know if you work on Sunday or not?

Oh, and DO bitch about the breaks and lunches-hello, that’s a labor violation. MAJOR labor violation.

My former supervisor (now the head of my department) is known as Captain Anal Compulsive.

When I do projects for him, he used to stop by my cube hourly for “status updates” until he caught me at the wrong moment. I calmly turned my head and said in the calm yet ready to gut you with a letter opener voice “I’d get this done a lot faster if you weren’t bothering me for updates ALL THE TIME. If I have a problem, I know your extension, email address and where your office is located. If you do not hear from me before I send this to you, feel free to assume I am fine and productive. Also, keep in mind I always get projects to you before deadline and perfect the first time. Bye!” I turned my head back to the computer and went back to work.

The funny thing is that after I snapped, he treats me with a lot more respect. Doesn’t interrupt me when I talk to him (he’s notorious for that) and lets me work without crawling up my figurative ass.

I worked for a construction company when I was in college, operating heavy equip. The company owners son was my boss, that probably says enough in itself. He felt the need to yell at me for someone elses screw up, fair enough…I can handle it. Then he called me a stupid sonofabitch… Not only did I tell him off, I proceeded to kick the shit out of him. Thoroughly. I then gathered my belongings and went on my merry way, never to return.

Like there would be any point and hanging around…

Tranetech

I did “speak up” to a boss once. I’m very proud of myself about it, but really, I had no other choice.

When I was first hired, I was warned about a particular dangerous duty (let’s just keep it vague like that) that the bosses wanted to sucker the newbies into doing. And when I mean dangerous, I mean dangerous. Not life threatening (well, hopefully not) but bad. Nerve-wracking. Possibly getting cut up and bruised and stuff.

The bosses–well, for complicated reasons, it was their job to sucker (er…excuse me) “persuade” us newbies to do this particular job. Often by downplaying the risks or putting up a smokescreen about the risks. (I heard about the risks from other workers, much to the annoyance of the bosses, who wanted us newbies to be left in the dark about what we were getting ourselves into.)

So, I’d heard about this particular danger, knew that it wasn’t part of my job description when I was hired–so I new early on that there was no way in hell I was going to do it. The whole concept was beyond absurd! The rest of the job seemed OK, so I figured that I’d hang around for the rest of it, but the getting hurt thing was a bunch of bullshit.

So, when one of the bosses (a particularly smarmy character, as it turned out) approached me about doing the dangerous job, I laid it on the line. No way, no how. She tried to “guilt” me into doing it, saying that I needed to “give it a chance” and that “not everyone gets hurt; it depends on your personality” and “how dare I have such an attitude.” I lost it a little, and uttered the words, “Being unemployed with be an attractive alternative to doing this particular job.”

With that she stalked out in a huff and said, “There’s no talking to you!”

But, nothing came of it. She was only pissed because she couldn’t manipulate me or guilt me into doing this thing. I’d quit first. Happily quit, and she knew it, so there was nothing to hang over my head. I later talked to her superior, who calmed me down and told me I would not be expected to that particular dangerous task. Nothing else was ever spoken about it with that particular bitchy supervisor, but she did treat me with a bit more deference after that. And some of her later attempts to guilt me into doing something I didn’t want to do also backfired.

She left to go onto “greener pastures” a while later, and we all cheered when she had left.

The only time I ever did it I was in the process of quitting anyway. I was working for a small computer firm, and a friend asked me abotu setting up a WAN for the company he worked for. I wasn’t in sales, and could have done the job on the side, but instead I went to my boss and worked out an arrangement where I would get 5% of the gross from the sale. The network job ran about $52000, meaning of course I was set up for a fat little $2600 bonus. Payday came, no check. I went to my boss and asked him about it, and he wrote me a check for $100, explaining that since I wasn’t doing sales I really wasn’t entitled to anything anyway.

I totally and completely lost my shit, lambasted him, called him a lowlife crook, cheap f**ker, etc. etc. I did it at the top of my lungs, and when I left his office discovered that one of his more important customers was waiting to see him. He lost that account (to me, oddly enough).

I still hate that bastard.

Guin–the LAST day of the week is Sunday. The FIRST day on the schedule is always Monday, so if you’re off on Sun or not closing you don’t know when you work unless you call up there, which can be annoying

And I WOULD bitch about the breaks/lunches only I’m afraid of being fired. Since I don’t presently have another job lined up yet, I’m afraid to get fired because no job means no money and no money means well…shit happens that I don’t want to happen at all.

Perhaps there is a labor group I could bitch to anonymously and they could bitch at him?:confused:

IDBB

I once told off a little weiner of a boss at the restaurant where I was working. I’d been working there off and on for three years through college and I was one of the two best evening servers they had (and one of the best weekend morning servers as well). This guy who’d once worked there came in with his little skank girlfriend every night and someone gave them free coffee- I never did. I was finishing up my side work one night when I noticed that she was threatening me from the front. I had absolutely no clue what her problem was, so I asked her. She informed me that I had better ‘get out of her face before she f**king took my ass down’. I went straight back to the manager and told him what she’d said, said I had no idea what her problem was, and if he didn’t kick her out of the restaurant for threatening me, I was leaving. He refused, saying she ‘was a customer’ and that he couldn’t kick her out. I walked back up to the front, took my apron off, and left.

The GM suspended me for a week the next day because I’d ‘left without permission during a shift.’. Never mind that some little skank ‘customer’ was threatening one of their servers. Turns out someone had informed the management that her boyfriend was getting free coffee - another server. She thought it was me.

I’ve seen her a couple of times since then and the usually non-violent person in me has turned into a raging bitch who just wants to kick her ass.

Ava

I worked for a woman for many years who had a fierce temper. Usually, I was able to work with it, but finally there was a problem that was simply the straw that broke the camel’s back.

I can’t even remember the details that led up to the situation, my boss and I really didn’t see eye to eye on this particular problem in the office. She didn’t like the way I handled it, and ranted and raved about my incompetence in front of a lot of people. We continued the “heated discussion” in her office, and she made some comment about how if I didn’t see things her way, then I shouldn’t be working in her office. I replied with “HA! You can’t fire me because I quit!” (I think I watched too many sitcoms as a child) and followed that up with a long, impassioned speech.

Strangely enough, we started talking in a more productive way after that, and I walked out of her office with a promotion. I’m still not really sure how that happened. When my coworkers asked what happened, I summed it up by saying, “She fired me, then I quit, then she promoted me.”

Looking back, I think it’s a funny story, but I completely see NOW that we were BOTH in the wrong. She was unprofessional, but so was I. At least I had the excuse of youth and inexperience. At the TIME, I thought the promotion had been a recognition of having the stones to speak my mind, now I realize she was giving me a “pass” on my outburst because she knew she had behaved unprofessionally as well.

I was working for the world’s most useless nonprofit, and the one real actual event we put on each year had come up: we were organizing a conference of low-income workers and labor organizers from across the southern US and Central America.

We had about a dozen people flying in from various countries in Central America, and I’d bought all their plane tickets. I wrote up a schedule of their flights for my boss, telling her which terminals they’d be at and everything: my boss would be driving down to Atlanta (where we were holding the conference) a day early, so she could pick the people up.

But my boss left the schedule back in her office, and completely forgot to pick people up. Most of the folks flying in knew enough English that they were able to place a call to her cell phone – but one poor Salvadoran went AWOL. When I showed up at the conference site the next day, my boss bitched me out, claimed I’d never given her the schedule. (Later she changed her story, claiming I’d never told her she needed to pick these folks up).

The Salvadoran eventually showed up a day late, having walked fifteen miles to the only location he knew of in Atlanta (a different, more useful nonprofit) and spent the night on their doorstep.

That night, I was awoken in my hotel room by voices next door. Turned out that my boss was talking with one of my coworkers. Specifically, she was bitching to the coworker about my screwup.

I got up, went next door and banged on it. “You want to talk shit about me, you do it to my face!” I told her.

Soon afterward, I gave notice during one of the interminable (as in, all-day-long) staff meetings she held; when she asked why, I gave her the litany of reasons in front of her whole staff.

Two of my favorite reasons had to do with the organization newsletter. She’d hired a guy to write it in July, but refused to release his perfectly fine newsletter because she was a control freak and wanted to rewrite every article herself, so this guy ended up literally for months with nothing to do except lie on the office couch and nurse his newly-formed migraine.

This was in 1999, and she wanted to have an article about how poor people should deal with Y2K, based on some half-assed presentation she’d been to. Since I was the office computer geek, she asked my advice. “Ignore it,” I said. “Y2K is overblown media hype, and nothing significant is going to come about because of it.” So she accused me of not caring about the plight of poor people.

Sure enough, three months after I quit in disgust, the newsletter she’d hired a guy to write in July finally came out (my father got a copy of it). And the article on Y2K was in there.

Too bad it was February 2000 by that point.

Daniel

Right after law school, I drifted a little. I had turned down recruiting offers because after doing some summer placements I knew that I didn’t want to work in a law firm. While I was figuring out what to do with my life, I took a job as a “program administrator” for a small charity. The offices were in a drab and dingy loft above a warehouse where they stored food for a food bank and who knows what else. But the program was run and staffed by ministers and was affiliated with a bunch of churches so I naively assumed that it’d all be on the up and up. Despite being offered a pittance of salary (not in any way commensurate with my education, work experience or the requirements of the position) I took the job.

After six weeks, I’d come to the realization that the charity was essentially a big sham. Their raison d’etre was housing, but they weren’t providing housing or housing referrals or working on projects to build housing or doing anything related to housing that I could see in the day to day operations or find reference to in the files. And the files were a mess, an absolutely bloody mess. I couldn’t find 90% of what I was asked to deal with, and never found anything that would sufficiently explain what was being done with the money that was being pumped into the organization from the affiliated churches.

Worse, I couldn’t ever get a straight answer out of the director as to what we were working on at the moment or what I was to be doing. On any given day I could be do secretarial work, be a courier, crawl around the warehouse doing inventory or take minutes in a meeting where nothing of substance was discussed. I met with “clients” doing “instakes” for programs that only seemed to exist on paper. I took phone calls from people who had been told that we provided emergency housing help, and had to tell them all that we didn’t. One day, a lady asked, angrily, “Well, what DO you do, then?” and it was all I could do to say “Lady, I wish I knew!”

The Monday of Week Seven of Job from Hell, I woke up with a massive migraine headache. I called in and told the “outreach administrator” (I’m not sure what he did, exactly, but he was the only one in the office) that I wouldn’t be in, that I had an awful migraine and I needed to simply sleep in a cool, dark, silent place. He said he’d tell the Director and said his wife got migraines monthly and he knew how bad they were, and he’d pray for my recovery. (Ministers, remember – the janitor and I were the only unordained staffers.) I thanked him, closed the blinds, turned off the phone in my bedroom and tried to sleep.

Over the course of that day, the Director called me and called me and called me, first to bitch about my not being there, then to tell me that I needed to call him about this, that and all the other including a pointed screed about the “illegitimacy” of migraines and another about how inappropriate and unprofessional it was for me to take a day off so soon after I was hired. I could hear it every time the other phones in the house rang and then I could hear him screaming on my answering machine. I just couldn’t muster myself to get out of bed to turn the thing off.

When Mr. tlw came home that evening, he listened to the machine and was livid. When I had recuperated from my headache later that evening, I was too. The next day, I went in and got in the Director’s face. I told him that the charity was a fraud, and a joke, and that he was an unethical and morally bankrupt as anyone I’d ever met. I told him that he may as well quit calling himself Reverend because there was nothing about him worth revering and all he revered was power and ill-gotten money. I also included a long screed of my own about the “illegitimacy” of questioning other people’s medical woes and how inappropriate and unprofessional it was to call an employee at home when they were sick and harangue them via answering machine once. When it happened eleven times over the course of 7 hours, it crossed the line into harassment. Then I turned on a heel and walked out.

It took four months to get my last paycheck, and that only happened after I sicced my lawyer on them. That job was the single biggest mistake I have ever made in my entire life.

Someone correct me if I am wrong But retaliation is against the law.

The problem is, you have to prove that this is the real reason for your being fired/let go. Most places have a 90 day probationary period at the start of your employment in which they don’t have to have much of a concrete reason to dismiss you. Many states are apparently “at will” regarding firing, meaning about the same thing but applying to any time within your employment. So I think she’s worried that the boss might not need a stated reason to get rid of her.

Texas is a “right to work” state. You have the right to work, they have the right to fire you for any reason.

I’ve worked for several people that I have told off. One guy paid with hot checks for several months, then refused to cover MY bank and hot check charges incured by HIS paycheck bouncing. His uncle (a lawyer) was my landlord, and wanted to evict me based on bounced rent checks (he’d also gotten a chance to rent my apartment for twice the amount I was paying.

I got them both in the same place at the same time, and explained that they needed to work out the problem, as I was up to my butt in digging out of the hot check mess caused by their family money problems. I was quiet and discreet about it, as this was in a restaurant on a Sunday afternoon. (I was picking up odd shifts as a waitress to try to make up for the money I was out.) They started yelling at me, and being real jerks. So, I lit into them LOUDLY, and in public. Small town Texas is a great place for gossip, and the next day, when I went to my regular job, Bad Check Boss called me to his office. I stood in the design room, hollered that I wasn’t coming in to the office, he could talk to me in front of everybody else he owed money to. The whole staff, 7 people, had ALL their banking records with them, as did I, and we called the D.A. to come talk to us about pressing charges.

I told him off, told the DA where to find me, went home and packed up my stuff to move. Had the truck loaded when the boss came with all he owed me, including check charges, to ask me to stay. Took the cash, laughed in his face and never looked back.

He’d been hoarding cash to buy an apartment building because there was a major power plant to be constructed and there would be 3 years of construction worker incomes to charge exorbitant rent…but he lost the business AND the cash when he went to jail for trying to defraud his employees.

Another boss lectured me (OK bitched at me for 20 minutes) for something I didn’t do. Wouldn’t let me explain that I didn’t do it. Wouldn’t shut his nasty face at all. When he was through, i stood up (i’m 5’6’ and was 2 inches taller than him) looked ot him and said “Listen, you little toad. I did not do what you’ve been ranting about. Learn to ask questions instead of having fits, or do this shit yourself.” He was always an ass at bill-paying time. He HAD the money, he was doing well, thanks to my SO and myself. We both quit over the incident (my farewell being a loud “You’re breaking several laws and lying to your customers. Have a nice life, jerk.”) and it took 3 people to replace the two of us, and nobody’s lasted more than 6 months. My immediate replacement had her husband beat the guy up. The next person in the job held a gun on him when he went into one of his screaming rages, then called a cop to arrest him for beating on her car with a brick. The most recent one is suing for sexual harrassment. And his sales are down 65%, and the state is after him for the laws he’s been breaking. I cannot imagine who ratted him out to the state…