Speaking of people who have longstanding grudges about someone…I haven’t even written a post in response to Rand Rover in almost a year. Apparently he isn’t your “forgive and forget” type.
Remember, disagreeing with someone about their politics makes you “one of the worst humans breathing.” Or something.
People like me who read what you wrote and made up their own mind using your words? I really don’t know Una very well so I’m sorry to disappoint you, but I know nothing of her helpfulness or her smarts or anything else you want to pretend I’m gauging this on. My impression of Una is that I like her. I’m bad with names so I don’t remember a lot of personalities on the board so my liking her is vague.
You made a donation to a board you posted on. You made that choice. You are now bitching that she cashed the check you wrote. I don’t care if she has money falling out of her ass, if she mentions that she may not be willing to keep the costs up that is her right. For you to express it the way you did, that the money you willingly gave was less than the cost of one car payment for her, made it seem that you are saying that because she has what YOU determine to enough money that she shouldn’t be able to SLEEP AT NIGHT (o my stars!) because she cashed your check.
I don’t need to know anything about her background to see how unreasonable and whiny you are being about this situation. Am I in the habit of cashing checks I haven’t earned or asked for? More dramatics from you. If I was hosting a board out of the goodness of my heart for people and someone sent me a check to help with the cost of said board I might cash it. I might not. For you to make this a moral issue about her character is silly. Plain old silly.
I mention something once in six years and that makes me unreasonable and whiny? Exactly when can I speak about something that bothers me?
Well, maybe it is a silly thing. But it bothered me and I know I wasn’t the only one. And, yeah, I did feel it was a bit of a moral issue. To me, I believe that if you want people to give you money for something, you should be upfront about it and not misrepresent the situation. Some people have different boundaries about that. Obviously you didn’t here, but I don’t see the need to attack you over it.
And, yes, I agree that I shouldn’t have said “I’ll lose sleep” over doing that. That was an exaggeration and I apologize for that. On the other hand, I’ve always felt that it’s never too late to set things right.
To paraphrase Iggy Pop, “Well I don’t hate you. I don’t even care.” You’re a guy who’s on a message board who has a different view on life from me. I don’t even know what I might have done or said in the past which might have caused you to claim I was “one of the worst humans breathing”…I’m pretty darn sure I didn’t commit genocide or burn a copy of The Fountainhead or whatever might have encouraged you to say that. Suffice it to say that I think what you said about me was a tiny bit disproportionate to what I did.
I’m just curious, but is anyone going to address the OP’s contention about not waging a campaign against Una that he’s being accused of? Because that seems to be the crux of the matter, yes?
And what if it was a Skald-like fantasy what-if? If you don’t want to play that particular fantasy game then don’t play, but don’t come in to say that you are too great to have that hypothetical apply to you. Or at least if you do, then don’t be shocked and get huffy that someone pointed out what a putz you were being by doing that.
Again, however, that threadshitting was merely a minor annoyance, and not worth Pitting over. An in-thread comment, sure, but not a Pitting.
And I am completely sure that she is not “a complete piece of shit” as Lobohan would conclude if judging on that comment alone. She knows a lot about particular areas and is a valuable resource about those subjects. I have learned a lot from her posts about coal power, about biomass co-generation, and various other related subjects. I suspect she is helpful in many other ways for other posters. When she can post as the expert that anyone who is not an idiot will defer to, as she does with cause on those subjects and some closely related subjects, all is well with the world.
But when she is not such an expert … then her complaints about being constantly “shouted down on this message board,” about being subjected to sexual slurs for having “dared - yes, dared - to suggest” that people don’t estimate calories well, her inability to brook any dissent from her sometimes ill-informed opinions on other subjects, her continued paranoia about me being engaged in a campaign of personal smears against her (rather than disagreeing with her on a small number of occasions regarding certain facts and assertions) does cross my Pittable line.
And I rarely Pit.
But again, off my chest, and like Duke moving on from what ultimately is just a bunch of inconsequential pixels.
On preview, faithfool, I don’t think I stand out here enough to register much, but I certainly have not stood out as someone who wages campaigns of insults or smears against anyone. Someone who some think is “always wrong”, sure but at least fair and level headed in my wrong conclusions. Yes, to me, that accusation, and what I see as a tendency to distort the behaviors of those who disagree with her beliefs, is the crux of this Pitting. I believe she began that belief about me when I criticized the column (that I am confident she provided the meat of) of “Cecil’s” that was ignorant of much of the recent research on obesity as “superficial.”
I’m noticing a pattern with threads on the SDMB and I think it might be more efficient if, instead of actually posting, we each choose which response category we would like to be in for the particular thread.
And while I do agree that the fact that it was a hypothetical certainly makes it much less bitchy, I wouldn’t say that it makes it altogether not bitchy. I mean, really, the only reason for her post was for her to boast; she didn’t even answer the question, she just evaded it. I must admit my judgement was probably colored a bit by my perception of Una, which is that nearly everything she says is right, but said in the most snarky way possible. But yeah, in retrospect, the given example wasn’t really that bad (though I still think it’s a threadshit).
Sometimes I see a Pit thread with a poster’s name in the title, and think, “this might take a while.” Sometimes I see one and think, “well, this will be short.” Then it turns out that there are a dozen people who’ve had that poster On Their List for some imagined slight in ninth grade, and they’re actually loathsome human beings and blah blah blah.
Then I worry, because if there are people who secretly hate the people I assume everybody likes, maybe we’re all arseholes. Except me, of course. I’m a fucking prince, and you’re all lucky to have me.
This is only partially true. I posted about the cost of the board because I had been asked innumerable times to talk about it. Back when there were more posters I would get 1 PM every couple of days from someone asking about it and offering to donate. So yes I did comment on it.
For a brief time my job was on a knife’s edge, and Fierra was literally one e-mail away from losing hers. People at my company all around me were dropping like flies. You know of my health issues, I was terrified of how I would pay for my health insurance. Fierra had significant medical bills, mid five-figures, which were only partially covered by insurance. So yes I was concerned. In fact, for a brief time there was a bit of financial panic going on.
So what changed? Fierra changed jobs to a much more stable job which paid nearly 100% more than she made before. I changed jobs too, which paid about 15% more and was much more stable, and I picked up a second job “just in case.” And Fierra’s grandmother passed away, which ended up providing a significant inheritance. We didn’t post about this much, mainly because at the time I had several people on the SDMB after us to “get us” IRL. You surely saw some of this on my board.
So yes things changed suddenly. But I never asked for a penny for the board per se, not once, but we did do fund drives for the community. People actually got hostile because I wouldn’t take their money. Some sent me money via Paypal which I returned, which I found out actually cost me money due to the transaction fee (at the time it was costing something like $5 to return a $100 donation, possibly because I wasn’t doing it right). Meanwhile, others were still sending Scotticher checks, as well as innumerable other non-cash gifts. Ask her if you think I’m lying, how much she received completely unsolicited.
This is technically untrue - I never shopped for, nor never bought such. It was Fierra who wanted that car. I drive the same car I drove before I ever heard of the SDMB.
I deny the first part. I vehemently deny it.
The second part was done because I was tired of saying no. I actually was getting yelled at by people who felt offended I wouldn’t accept their donations for the board. I was accused of following the “SDMB” policy of “stupidly” turning down money to keep the board alive. I had people get cross because we wouldn’t accept their money. One person quit the board in protest because I didn’t cash their check.
So what happened to the money? We spent it on gifts and help for other board members. This was not hidden and Scotticher has all the details, so you can ask her since I’m obviously so untrustworthy. We sent flowers when people were sick. We sent gift certificates for people who needed money. We paid one member’s rent for a month when they were facing eviction. We sent money for medical bills. We sent money for school fees, in one case a semester of community college, in another case school books. We helped buy a laptop computer to Katsu when he got his new job in the midwest (ask him if you think I’m lying). I bought a computer for Anya; ask her too. Actually, I think I bought 2 or 3 computers for people over the years. There were also donations for breast cancer via Scotti. I can’t even remember everything, but not one dollar donated went into my pocket. In fact, over the years a conservative estimate is that I donated about $5,000 out of pocket for assistance, sympathy and funeral/bereavement gifts, and other expenses. This does not include the cost of running the board, which I honestly don’t know but runs to about $1,000 a year, times 11 years. Yes for a while I had an ATMB thread which had a donation total listed, but only because I felt like it was due diligence to post that publicly. It may have implied that I used that money to run the board, and if it did that was my mistake.
I’ve also bought plane tickets for folks who needed to get places. Sometimes I used FF miles. One time I lied and said I used FF miles but I really paid out of pocket, because I knew the person was too proud to take charity, and no I won’t name them in public but I will in private.
I’ve not posted about this even on the privacy of my board because I didn’t think it was polite to, and because I could only imagine the howls of glee at the snarkboards being given new “material” on me, which now of course you have given them, even before I posted here.
I also posted in my journal thread years ago that I would return any donations to anyone who felt cheated with interest. I believe I offered a rate of 4% (which was the going rate at the time). I had no takers whatsoever. If you want your $100 back with interest then present any sort of proof as far as what year you wrote the check (because I never handled the money - Scotti did that so I don’t have all the records) and the amount and I will send the money to Scotti and she will pass it on to you, with 4% interest, same offer as before. Oh you say it’s not about the money, but it clearly has some meaning, so let’s stop fucking around.
Nothing whatsoever prevented you or tygre from reaching out to me and just asking me a few simple questions. Or are claiming I would have just lied to you? You made your choice to leave without having all the facts at your disposal, and then to make a post on here in another thread designed to publicly humiliate me. Mission accomplished.
I don’t know what drove you to the point where you couldn’t have just spoken to me. But whatever it was, I’m sorry. I just can’t understand why you never mailed, not once, about this, over all these years, and why you felt like the SDMB BBQ Pit was the best place to resolve this.
What you’ve posted really hurts and insults me, more than I’ve been hurt on this board in a long time. I thought you guys were friends, good friends, who just decided to drift away. I had no idea.
All my life I tried to do the right thing with money and making sure I put others first who were less fortunate. Yes I really did grow up so poor we slept in our coats outside our locked apartment door when we couldn’t pay the rent. I never used one penny of the donations into my own pocket. I’m insulted and deeply hurt that I even had to post this.
What you’ve posted here is going to give people snark material about me for years, absolutely fucking years, and without any real root cause. Everyone is going to remember me for being “that evil bitch who lied and took people’s money and bought sportscars with it.” Surely you’ve seen the gigabytes of snark over the years about Opal and how she spent money to run her board, right? You can’t un-ring that bell, Duke, and you ought to know that as well as anyone.
I’m not going to respond to the other snark in this thread because most of the snarkers are the same hobgoblins who have had fun throwing shit at me for years, and there is no possible positive outcome in addressing them.
Why in the world are you in a community as terrible as what you describe rather than running away as fast as you can and then living well in order to get the best revenge?