I think it’s clear that RTD has an agenda, and honestly, the only reason it bothers me is that I’d like to see some Gwen and Esther ass to balance out the man ass on display. So, it’s just the unfairness of it all - I suspect I’ll get to see Rhys’s wrinkly ass before Gwen’s. Boo!
Anyway, I’ve seen a little discussion, but does anyone think that it all comes from the samples of Jack’s blood? A powerful cabal who used Jack’s blood to discover the secret of eternal life…Something that freaky and horribly traumatic could very well be enough to make the TARDIS run for it.
And I disagree with the below poster - the problem isn’t caused because “Jack stuck his dick in the wrong guy 80 years ago”, the problem is caused by Jack being outed and milked 80 years ago.
The only question, of course, is how it would affect EVERYONE at the same time.
I’m trying to remember how Jack would have ended up in the 1920’s. The only time I can think of he would have been there he was buried under Cardiff. If he hadn’t referenced Torchwood I’d say that it was during his Time Agent days…
This might be my favorite episode yet. It felt more like a regular Torchwood story, and had a little less eye-rolly dumb in it.
The orientation of the love story was fine. I might have liked it a bit better if it weren’t the third or fourth or fifth time we’ve seen Jack picking up guys. But, Jack likes guys.
He also clearly stated he’s interested in lots of things, including the attractive woman on the balconey. He also recollected some clearly alien good times when he was in the confession booth, so I wouldn’t state categorically Jack is all gay, all the time now. I would feel slightly better if he flirted with a palm tree or something once in awhile.
I can’t prove it at the moment, but I could almost swear Jack has mentioned his blood doesn’t do anything for people. Not normally anyway. I’m sure the superstitious mob wasn’t the first to think of collecting his blood, and if he could save people with transfusions, I’m sure he would. He’s lost a lot of friends.
Those three mysterious men who bought Jack while he was captive have to be involved somehow. I’m sure his old ex-lover is in fact all old and decrepit now, but he’s probably also involved with the mysterious three. I’m just guessing.
I may not have things exactly right, but this is what I’ve pieced together from the end of Torchwood’s second season (the flashback episode where they showed how everyone joined) and the end of Doctor Who’s third season (the 3-parter with Jack, the 10th Doctor, and Martha).
At the end of Doctor Who season 1, Rose had absorbed the heart of the Tardis and became all-powerful. The Doctor and Jack were fighting the Daleks in the year 50,000 or something. Jack had just been shot & killed, so she brought him back to life. After defeating the Daleks, and the Doctor regenerating, they left without him.
Jack later used his vortex manipulator (the thing on his wrist) to go back to the 20th century and find the Doctor, but he overshot and went back to the 1800s instead. There, due to some drunk talk about him being immortal, he was discovered by the original Torchwood and recruited for them. So then he had to “take the slow path,” living through the next 100+ years in order to find the Doctor again in the 21st century. This is where we find him in the very first episode of “Torchwood.” So at some point in the 1940s there were 2 Jacks because when we first met him in Doctor Who, he was temporarily posing as a 1940s military officer, which is where he took his name. Actually, there were 3 Jacks in the 1940s if you count the one buried underneath Torchwood for 2000 years.
When Jack finally met the Doctor in the 21st century, the Doctor revealed that when Rose revived him it made him a “fixed point in time” which meant immortal, and they left without him because the Doctor felt he was “wrong.”
Well, I don’t think it was the blood directly that caused the miracle, since I doubt they gave a transfusion to every person on Earth. They probably spent the last 80 years figuring out how it worked.
Not quite run of the mill, since they formed the “triangle,” which is pretty high tech and has infiltrated the government.
The “triangle” had me expecting them to be Bavarian, but it looks like they’re not going that direction.
I think we’re going to find out that those three guys (along with Italiatwink) are all still looking young as ever - they were able to use the blood to keep themselves alive and young.
Of course, none of this explains the Miracle or anything about it - not really.
When the agreed to share Jack, they did a three-handed clasp that formed a triangle - is that the founding of the triangle organization, or were these three representatives of an existing organization (or alternatively, three organizations there were already cooperating to some degree for large scale operations)?
What I think is funny about Doctor Who and Torchwood is, between the two shows it appears at any given moment there are approximately 20 different secret societies/alien races controlling everything or almost everything on Earth.
It’s amazing they don’t bump into each other more often.
That occured to me as well. In fact, given the mention of The Blessing, and how ‘they’ve always been there’ or a similar quote, I thought it might have something to do with The Silence. Which would actually have been an interesting marketing move, as it would lead new US viewers back to Doctor Who.
Having said that, I can’t see how that would fit with the newest revelations.
Good episode. I liked the twist with the CIA. John de Lancie was really good in his role.
The gizmo from the Torchwood hub didn’t make much sense. I don’t understand how anyone would know what it was or how to hook it up except Jack and maybe Tosh. SInce Tosh is long gone that only leaves Jack.
The cliffhanger ending left me itching for next week. I’m wondering what Esther will do.
Gwen gets sent back to Wales. Not surprising. A bit contrived this time. I know they want to keep the European feel to the show. It seems like they could do it better than to deport her.
That null device that Jack grabbed cancels out the effect of the Miracle. The miracle makes Jack mortal. Ergo, Jack should be immortal now. At least that’s my theory. Of course, it seems that he’s still quite hurt. Maybe it’s not turned on.
Although I wonder why a man who has spent his whole life trying to live forever would have a device under his hospital bed that could keep the Miracle from affecting him. Maybe the Miracle has more of an effect than just making everyone not die.
Jack doesn’t have the whole device - I think the part he grabbed was basically the battery.
I’m wondering if there is some sort of DNA component to the cancelling also. Angelo was in the null field the whole time, and was in no condition to trigger it. He died when Jack kissed him - so that seems to be the trigger?
Definitely a better episode than last week, though i’m still not really liking the idea that “the Mob” is the big bad for the season.
I’m disappointed that Major Kira got killed off so quickly, but at least we’ll get more of Q chewing the scenery. The intern also got introduced, revealed, and killed off too quickly - seems like she should have been brought in a few episodes ago, though since there were no Danes/Kitzinger scenes the past two episodes i’m assuming most of her plot thread was cut for time.
Re Angelo dying: I don’t think Jack’s kiss was the “trigger” - it just excited his nervous system enough to set the machines beeping, and Jack pulling the plug on him was what did him in. That’s probably part of why he ends up so mopey and taciturn the rest of the episode - Angelo may have had a nullifier installed underneath his bed, but Jack still killed the one person in the world who he had genuinely romantic feelings for.
Which was odd. She shoulda said “But you just renditioned me the other day! Make your mind up! Here? There? I was quite happy to stay at home in the first place!”
I don’t think the Miracle is what Angelo is expecting. The big question, of course, is if is what the Family was expecting.
So, what’s the motivation? What good does the Miracle do anyone? Maybe everyone (and I mean everyone outside the family) reaches the point where the Miracle is all that keeps them alive. So, the Family can control the world by simply threatening to throw the switch, turn off the Miracle, and wiping out Humanity?
I think there’ll be more to these guys than the Mob. That had to have gotten access to alien technology somewhere. The Blessing was 1997, and that was not when The Hub got blown to bits, so that can’t be it.
What happened in 1997? Anything significant anyone can think of? I don’t think my stint as a delivery driver for Pizza Hut is it…
I also haven’t really figured out the point of Oswald Danes. I can see it as a commentary on fame vs. worth, but that doesn’t seem like quite enough. Speaking of which, I know the general consensus has always been that Bill Pullman is kind of a nothing actor, but I think he’s done a great job on Danes. Watching him attempt to dance was kind of painful. Kind of reminded me of me trying to dance, really.