Anyone have "easy" kids? Perfect parents?

If so, how do you define/explain it?

My eldest daughter (the only of 3 of our kids to propagate) is going through stuff with her 2 kids - ages 5 and 10. Nothing terribly horrible - just strikes me as the kinda shit we went through with our not terribly easy kids, and my parents likely went through with me and my sibs.

My kid talks about the difficulty w/ screens - which admittedly is a greater issue than in the 90s/aughts. And today’s culture seems to reflect the kids’ emotions/agency (poorly phrased) more than in past generations. But I’m not sure paretning was ever EASY.

I found parenting our kids to be terribly challenging. Hell, parenting adults still has its challenges. They were all smart, but not terribly popular or happy. As adults, they are all employed in their chosen professions, married, homeowners… So whatever we did, we sure coulda done worse. But I’m never gonna suggest I was free from faults.

I know we weren’t perfect parents. But I’d contend our kids were not perfect either. And we were pretty much just making it up as we went along.

I periodically fall into thinking some folk are “better” parents than we were. Or that they are fortunate enough to have “easy” kids. But most often, I think that is a delusion, and that everyone pretty much just struggles along the same as we did/do.

Whaddya think?

Well, the first stanza of This Be The Verse by Philip Larkin reads

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

It gets bleaker. But I think, as a non-parent watching various kids of friends and family, it is extremely difficult and few, if any, get it “right.” Kids need 'way more than we can expect 2 people to give them; thus the saying “it takes a village to raise a child.” Any parent has only so many skills and talents, and flaws and blind spots, and all kids are different and require things parents can’t even guess at.

Your kids seem to have turned out fine. You done good.

I don’t know if being a non-parent makes me objective or irredeemably biased but I wouldn’t call any of my friends’ children “easy”. For some reason, my male friends use me as a sounding board when they need to vent about their kids and I’m always surprised when they think I might have some useful advice. I was a high school teacher for many years and have some insight into the problems of teenagers but I’m thoroughly unqualified to give parenting advice.

By sheer dumb luck, the hardest thing about raising my daughter was that my wife once made the mistake of musing aloud that the kid had pretty much raised herself, which said daughter has cheerfully mentioned whenever the opportunity arises.

Just to be clear, did your wife mean your dtr was so easy she needed little attention, or you and your wife sorta left her to do it herself (my wife’s parents’ approach)? And, I assume your dtr is doing reasonably well, rather than spending a lengthy prison stretch…

When you view other parents/kids, do you fel your experience was the exception? Do you attribute it to anything other than good fortune?

My two sons were pretty easy, if by easy I mean putting in lots of time, attention, and thought to parenting. They didn’t get into trouble, did well socially and in school, and were normally behaved. They turned out to be successful.

I count myself and my wife as being very lucky. There are no guarantees that children will respond to the best parenting, and lots of times children rise above their poor parenting experiences.

My wife and I have one child, now age 31. She was pretty much a joy from day one. By all appearances she loves us, without being dependent or being blind to our faults. She used to say we gave her a perfect name!

She’s avoided all major problems in life (addictions, depression, apathy, excessive cynicism, fanaticisms, social disfunction). She loves dogs, loves the Beatles and Marx Brothers (while also enjoying modern artists). She has a nice SO who also loves
dogs.

There was a time around age 8 when she became snotty and dismissive for a couple of weeks.

My eldest son and second son were both pretty easy to raise. My daughter, on the other hand, turned into a monster at about 14 and didn’t morph back to human until about 18. The youngest son was a PITA from birth to graduation.

The former; we think, or like to think, that we were perfectly ready to do more whenever things got difficult, but then they just, uh, didn’t? Like, she never wound up falling behind in this or that subject at school, and didn’t have trouble making friends — and didn’t fall in with the wrong kind of friends — and she just happened to be the kind of kid who was keen on everything from fixing herself breakfast to signing up for stuff that happens to look good on college applications.

If she had started falling behind at school — and only really managed to make one friend, who was kind of a bad influence — and was kind of lazy by inclination, then maybe her mother and I would’ve put in a lot more effort while things got tense and shouty, and maybe (a) we’d have gotten her to pretty much where she is now but with a lot more strife, and maybe (b) we’d have accomplished nothing but with a lot more strife. But that’s not how it went.

Probably good fortune. On top of what I was just saying: dating is maybe never easy, but what makes it harder is the constant context of worries about a high-schooler getting pregnant, right? But, as luck would have it, my daughter prefers girls.

We totally lucked out as a family. Our odd-duck child (‘non-binary’ now and happily married to a woman) was a perfect fit for their odd-duck parents. Could not have been easier or more of a joy, although with more normal parents it would have turned out very different for them, as their parents born into such families can well attest. A combination of genetics and luck. Raising any child is hard work, raising one who is at odds with you as parents has got to be enormously stressful.

Although I still wish they’d been interested in 4-H.

father of 3 teenage girls here.

We were not perfect, but overall I’d say we do pretty good. *)

*) The thing is, I was surprised to find out how “solid in their personalities” newborn persons can be … All 3 of ours always had and still have quite strong personalities (one a quite highly-functional Asperger, one very driven and responsable and the 3rd one, very lazy and drama-queen adjacent) …

We never could “change” the personality of either of them. Especially the “lazy one” is a pestering-stone-in-my-shoe as father … stuff like 2 hours of family-stress to push a 15min household chore back for another hour or so. There are mitigation strategies, but they are quite often hard work and do not always result. I still have hope that at age 13 she will grow out of it, but if past performance is an indicator for future performance, chances are - it’s not gonna happen ;-/

so, in a way, as Meat Loaf put it “two out of three ain’t bad” …

I remember at least one of our kids strongly disputing this with us. But our perception agrees with yours. Maybe not quite “newborn”, but definitely by toddlerhood…

Kinda flipping things, I think my daughter really missed an opportunity by trying something like “gentle parenting” when her kids were very young. I remember her saying, “My child should never have to hear the word 'No.”" :roll_eyes:

No, I’m not saying “Spare the rod,” but I also feel - as with puppies, you had better train them from the moment you get them home. Because now my daughter has her house pretty much run by her 5 and 10 year old kids. She knows something is wrong, but doesn’t know how to fix it.

Our daughter (now freshman in college) has been remarkably trouble free. Our major concern has been that she’s a little too diligent and rule-oriented. She’s done very well academically and quite well in sports and other extracurriculars. Made friends easily. Not involved in any social drama in middle school or high school. No indication that she’s ever had alcohol or drugs.

Somehow we feel there’s a long way to go before we declare victory. Several of our friends and family members had kids that looked perfect at 21 than then had serious issues in their 20s and 30s.

I wouldn’t call my parents “perfect,” by any stretch, but as I’ve gotten older, and heard so many stories from friends (as well as from my wife) about how dysfunctional their own parents and families were, I realize just how blessed I’ve been by having good parents.

My mom and dad always made time for my sister and me, treated us with kindness and guided us well, and were never abusive (either verbally or physically). They always presented a united front in front of us, and if they ever disagreed with each other, or argued with each other, they didn’t do so in sight of us.

They also shielded us from some uncomfortable things. For example, when I was growing up, my parents, along with my aunt and uncle, were co-owners of a hardware store. When I was 14, they sold the original store that they owned, and invested in building a larger, brand-new store. That was in the 1979/1980 time range, when the U.S. economy went into the toilet, and interest rates were stupendously high; what I didn’t know back then is that they had taken out a big loan to build the new store, at the worst possible time. We were losing money, and the household budget was, as it turns out, very tight, but my parents made sure that we kids never felt the worst of it, or felt like we couldn’t do things that our friends and schoolmates were able to do.

Much later, as an adult, I came to realize that neither of my parents had great role models for parenting when they were growing up: my dad’s parents were indifferent about parenting, at best, while my mom was #7 of 11 kids in her family, and simply never got a lot of parental support. The fact that they have been as good at being parents as they have been is even more amazing, given this.

As far as being “easy kids,” my parents have long said that I, the firstborn, was an “easy kid.” I was an excellent student, motivated to learn, and rarely disobeyed my parents – they have told me that they never needed to worry about me, in that regard. But, what made me “difficult” was being socially ostracized when we moved from suburban Chicago to Green Bay, on my 10th birthday: I was never accepted by my new classmates (being little, un-athletic, and nerdy), and was picked on mercilessly from 4th grade through 8th grade. There was little that my parents could do to shield me from that, and they felt powerless to help me; they have since told me that they were broken-hearted for me over those years, and were so relieved that I was later able to “find my tribe,” and happiness, as an older teen, and as an adult.

By contrast, my sister (three years younger than me) was a handful, behaviorally, and suffered from what was not diagnosed, at that time, with several learning disabilities, which made school very difficult for her. After having the “easy kid” the first time out, they felt unprepared for my sister.

For all the parenting-blaming that has always been popular (heavily weighted toward mothers), it is clear to me that humans are born the way they are going to be, and it is neither predictable nor amenable to alteration. Parents can certainly make their children feel wrong, or to blame, for who they are, or conversely, help their children feel secure and supported, but they sure can’t change their nature.

I have not met many parents, particularly of multiple children, who didn’t agree with me.

My kids were easy babies and toddlers.
I run a tight schedule(necessary). Routine, routine, routine and them knowing what to expect, helped.

The grandkids are similiar.

One grand-daughter is a nightmare. We have gotten her grudgingly acceptance of the schedule. Her now being school age has done wonders.
It’s a personality thing, she’s a hard head and stubborn. Bossy, gripey, often tearful. Easily bothered.
Her Mother, with 4 in school, says that one little girl takes all her Motherly patience, everyday.

My Daddy said I was his favorite. :slightly_smiling_face:But I believe I was his biggest problem.

(@Ulfreida , we did do 4-H. It’s a lovely organization, or at least was. I didn’t like all the work, I had to do :grimacing:)

I know that kid. Deeply feeling and articulate with a snarky tongue mama
Mia.

Love that kid!

I loved 4-H. Horse Project every year, but also cooking, wildlife, vet science, and other projects. I just hated the Presentations. I was a third generation 4-Her and I wanted my child to be the 4th, but it wasn’t to be.

I mean, there’s always tough days, stressful moments, but I don’t recall raising my kid to have been difficult to the point that I’d call it, well, difficult. I wish I’d had more.

Me too. She is my favorite.

I call her “Stands with Fist”(From Dances with Wolves)