Anyone heard of Ronald Weinland?

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www.the-end.com. This is his website. You may download both his books or receive them free.

Claims to be God’s Final Witness.

My mother is a true believer in him. She told me he claims total nuclear destruction on all coasts, Pacific, Atlantic and Gulf, all at the same time.

We, USA, will not have a presidental election in 2008.

I did a search on SDMB for Herbert W. Armstrong, as Ronnie is following in his foot steps, he claims. A member on here pitted his, HWA, death here recently. I understand their hatred as I attended the same “religious” Saturday services as a child.

I am very distraught with what my mother has told me & what she believes and what Ronnie is claiming.

Little background, Mom is 77, I’m 51. Mom & Dad split up when I was 10 years of age because of Herbert W. Armstrong’s biblical claims that it was a sin in God’s eyes for them to be married since Dad had a living ex wife. I still attended “church”, living with Mom, but got kicked out when I got busted smoking cigarettes at 14 years of age. Dumb asses. You don’t disfellowship someone out of church 'cause ya sinned. We’re all sinners! Jeeze! Thank-you! Mom is still in the “church”.

Input?.. I know, I know. I have only 20 messages on SDMB, I prefer just to read on here …I was on in '01 when 911 happened… in a panic wondering where certain members were that worked in the towers, same as most of you.

Please, please…no snyde remarks. Thanks!

( I’m probably in the wrong forum or said sumthin to get this booted, sorry. )

On another note, this worries me too…

If this was on here b/4, sorry!

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Is the debate whether or not we’ll all survive until 2008? I vote yes. Certainly we’re safer now from NBC attack than we were during the Cold War, right?

If there’s one thing I’ve learned from playing DEFCON, it’s that it’s really hard to nuke the entire North American continent at once. You should really just concentrate on the eastern seaboard and be happy with it.

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No, I’ve never heard of Ronald Weinland, but if I ever come across him, I’d like to kick his ass, and then tear his book to shreds before pissing on it. The only thing the Book of Revelations is good for is Johnny Cash songs, otherwise it’s a bunch of nonsense written by someone who was either psychotic or had a great sense of humor. And there have been people for the past thousand years or so saying that all this shit is going to come true, and it never does, so I’m not exactly convinced.

But if it does, hey, I’m in Indiana surrounded by agricultural resources and far away from the coast, so I’ll be happily dining on corn and venison while all the assholes in New York and California are getting vaporized.

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Are you asking to be convinced that this is bunk, or for ammunition to convince your mother that this is bunk? It doesn’t sound like she’ll be convinced no matter what we come up with, frankly.

But if you’re looking for refutation straight from the Bible, check out Matthew 24:36-51. The whole section is devoted to pounding it into our heads that none of us will know the exact time that Christ will return.

These sorts of predictions have been made since before anyone can remember. My grandmother showed me letters from people who were convinced that Halley’s Comet heralded the end of the world in 1910. My uncle owned a book called “88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Occur in 1988.” One of the reasons was that Reagan was America’s 40th president - 40 is such an important Biblical number that it must mean something. I imagine that book is out of print now. There are other examples here.

I suppose one of these predictions could someday be correct – even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while. I just don’t think it’s something to spend time worrying about. Any of us could die at any moment, which would effectively end the world for that person, y’know? I’m not sure it matters a great deal whether it’s in a nuclear attack or a car accident.

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And until it does, it’s high-LARious.

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[ Mildly Moderating ]

Howdy.

  1. If you want to debate the idiocy of Ronald Weinland or his prophecies, you are in the right Forum (although I doubt you will get much traction since I suspect that 99.999% of Dopers who know of him dismiss him as a crank).
    If you’re looking for ways to deal with your mother (or resolve your own issues), I’ll move this to MPSIMS for you.

  2. You’re showing a join date of 2002 while sharing an anecdote from 2001. This suggests that you originally signed up under a different name. We only allow one name per poster, here, so I strongly suggest that you e-mail TUBADIVA@aol.com to resolve which name you should be using and thew best way to resolve the pair of names.

[ /Moderating ]

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The writer of 88 Reasons (an Edgar Whisenant, I believe) did write 89 Reasons, then gave up. I have one of them, which I bought for half-price in January of the following year. :smiley:

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Ronald Weinland? Sheesh!

AS IF everyone doesn’t know that Gerald Flurry is The Prophetic Successor to HWA!

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That would be me. ALL religion is bullshit, but these “end-time” cult leaders are the biggest pieces of shit on the planet. And people who buy into them are delusional simpletons.

But that’s IMHO. I see no room for debate on it.

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Let’s bet on it. If we all die in a nuclear holocaust in 2008, I owe you a thousand dollars. If we don’t, you pay up. OK?

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Not looking for any resolve, just looking to see what ya’ll thougnt about Ronnie, thank-you!

I was a reader only in '01 & joined in '02, as I remember correctly. I don’t believe I would have signed up twice. Should I still email tudadiva? Sorry for the bother!!!

Kraig

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Not much point in rolling over my 401(k), I guess.

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Just wanted to give my perspective. I have lived through several “end times” by various preachers and feel compassion for those caught up in the fear created by these so-called prophets. This type of preaching is not accurate. Jesus clearly said no man will know when the world will end, or something like that. You have nothing to worry about, and neither does your mother. Please don’t give money or goods to this man. He will disappear after the end of 2008. Now there always is a possibility we humans will destroy earth, but not this soon. The ones that have the bombs are not that mad, and the ones that are that mad don’t have the bombs.

Also remember we are spiritual beings, and our spirit can not be killed. In the event of our body dying we will return to the safety of the spirit world. There is nothing to fear, so relax. Focus thoughts on the positive things of life and have fun.

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There is nothing to fear, so relax. Focus thoughts on the positive things of life and have fun.

Thanks lekatt! I feel a lot better!

And THANKS to all of your responses!

The next round is on me! Thanks again!

Kraig

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Come now, the Mayans were great astronomer their calendars were very accurate and it just so happens the Mayan long count calendar ends on Dec. 21, 2012. On that the day the mighty asteroid god “Xiunchiltun” will mate with mother Earth much to the chagrin of her current children. If you pray for anything ask that Xiunchiltun land upon us directly in the meantime I’d live it up for the next four years. You only need to wait until the next election for a “reality” check ask your Mom what happens after the 2008 election come to pass? As for nuclear devastation of the entire planet in some not to distant future that’s a fair bet. The atom for peace program has assured the world a steady stream of new members in the nuclear club. The resurgence of worldwide nuclear power will add to proliferation pressures. but I hope to be outta here long before then.

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If you have registered under two names, you neeed to contact TubaDiva.

If you have only signed up under one name, there is nothing to fix or change.

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No, it doesn’t.

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[hijack] Gee, Tom, is five years later kind of an odd time to start complaining? We’ve had people who lurked before joining before–hell, when I started here that was the recommended practice. [/hijack]