And I’ve seen a million other screenshots from all the other Wii games and none of them impress me.
If you like the Wii, fine. All I’m saying is I don’t, and I’d rather save the money for a PS3. I don’t care about novel controls - for me, it’s graphics that matter, and having games where you bleed when you get slashed with a katana. If you prefer what the Wii has to offer, that’s fine with me. Different strokes, and all that.
Hey let’s not do the console wars here. No one is going to change anyone’s mind and all people are going to do is yell at each other. I will say that Red Steel is rated Teen so it’s only natural that there’s no “mature” blood splatter and that Nintendo stopped encouraging family friendly games from its developers over ten years ago (see Resident Evil 4 as a Gamecube exclusive for nearly a year as a recent example).
Oh boy, the ol’ “kiddie factor.” We’re all talking about video games, yes? Those glorified electronic toys where grown men get their rocks off by playing with virtual guns and cars? But if a game doesn’t gush blood from every orifice, it’s “kiddie”? For Christ’s sake.
Those games you listed are sure to have plenty of glorified gore, dual-pistol wielding women dressed in strips of combat leather, and fluffed up emo anime characters. Yep, a lot more mature! :rolleyes:
This is what’s wrong with video games today- most developers believe that anyone will buy a video game no matter how crappy it is as long as it has good graphics and violence. I’m glad there are still developers out there today who are able to balance innovative gameplay with next-generation developments. (How much would you actually bleed if you were hit with a sword, anyway? I imagine there would be some blood, but I don’t think blood would be gushing out continually like Julia Child’s finger in that old SNL sketch.)
I dunno about “wrong”. Clearly, it’s “right” for some people, and who’s to say you can’t buy games soley on their gore rating?
What it will never be, however, is a lasting article, idea, game, in its own right. Tetris, Chess, Mario, Street Fighter, Zelda… these are games which do not rely on gore or graphics, and therefore never really die. The idea of the game remains timeless, regardless of technology, and even now, Tetris continues to captivate, even with sub-par graphics. Pac-man is still enjoyable today, whereas, say, Mortal Combat, the gorefest of its day, is nowhere to be seen. Does anyone still play FF7 for the spectacle of its summons? FMV? And yet it was vastly popular for that, in its day. It of course helped that there was a decent game behind it, but today, FF7 is not played for its spectacle, or its game, but to reminisce over its story.
Still, that doesn’t make someone wrong for choosing to indulge in visual spectacle. Theatre was its day’s visual spectacle, and so were circuses. It appears that this generation’s visual spectacle in games is gore and violence, and so it is consumed as such.
If the visual spectacle is not for you, there are innovative game developers out there. This argument has been used ever since the Playstation co-opted jock culture, and games moved out of the realm of the nerds, those who liked the game for the game, the rules of the game, the skills of the game, how to beat the game. All that was left behind in the explosion of the PS. But slowly we have been moving away from the visual spectacle genre, broadening the market, and games like Katamari Damacy, Super Monkey Ball, Mario 64, Ico, and others (I haven’t been keeping up) have been advancing the game. And now the Wii is providing yet another input, to create new genres of “game”, the physical. We can only hope more developers concentrate on the “game”, and not only the visual spectacle.
It’s not as if the Wii is lacking in graphics, either. It doesn’t do Hi Def, sure, but that just means the developers can make their games look good on ANY TV. Plus, although I agree it’s not much more powerful than the Gamecube (a lot of the current Wii games were developed ON the GC), the Gamecube is hardly a slouch itself. When games make full use of the GC’s graphical capability (I’ll admit there’s not many games that do), there’s a level of detail that the PS2 could never hope to match, which I see amplified in Wii screenshots. This is undeniably prettier than this.
If best-graphics-you-could-possibly-attain are your top priority, that’s certainly your call. I’d much rather hear good things about the PS3 (haven’t yet) than hear people slag the Wii for not being exactly like the 360 and PS3.
Call me a crotchety old fart but when it comes to games like Mario I think games are becoming a bit too realistic. There’s something a bit disturbing about a cartoon character that starts looking too “real.”
I don’t mind some improved graphics in other types of games. Resident Evil and Silent Hill can become even scarier that way.
But I’d much rather they spend most of their time making sure the next Mario is a hell of a lot of fun to play than waste time making things look “real.” I don’t want Mario to eventually look like a live action character.
That’s not a Mario game per se, it’s actually a fighting game starring all of Nintendo’s main characters. The realism, you note, is simply the result of combing Mario with another game’s background (such as Zelda or Metroid).
The next Mario game looks like this:
http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-16,GGLD:en&q=mario+galaxy
Considering the last few posts have been about the fact that Nintendo is focusing much more on gameplay than graphics as opposed to Sony and Microsoft, this is a really funny post. 
I used a projector at the office. Works GREAT.
I’ve got Monkeyball, Mario Sunshine (Gamecube game, one controller, no mem carts. 
), downloaded Mario 64.
Love it, Love it, Love it.
Inintentionally camped out for it on Sunday morning. I say unintentionally as I’d planned to get up at 6am and just drive around and see what I could find…went to bed at 10:30…eyeballs slammed open at 1:30…Laid in bed til 2:30 and said F*ckit, if i’m gonna be awake, I might was well be in line. I was 18 out of 33 with 40 consoles at Target that morning. The remaining consoles were gone by the time the store opened.
I’ll bet that nobody here has seen the Wii in 480p, simply because the cables are so hard to come by. So far, I’ve had a Nintendo blindspot my whole life…so there’s the cream of three or four consoles I’m looking forward to.
Coming from Apple ][ graphics, EGA, and the Amiga, I’m pretty happy with the output I’m seeing here.
Having seen a PS3 in the flesh only a few days ago. I was stunned at the detail in Ridge Racer…but was completely turned off that the framerate dropped at certain points in the gameplay. Comon, this is the PS3 here, god incarnate, whaddaya mean it’s dropping frames?
Even worse - the year old Ridge Racer 6 on Xbox 360 has better visuals than RR7 on PS3, at least if a visual side-by-side comparison article I saw is any indication. Looking at the screens shots, some major details (such as background objects) were removed from the PS3 version.
Video games are not inherently for children.
Video games are a media delivery system, similar to television or film.
If I was complaining that there were no good violent action movies lately, you wouldn’t say, “We’re all talking about movies, yes? Those glorified cinematic toys where grown men get their rocks off by watching guns and cars?”
I take it you have never played Metal Gear Solid 2 or 3 and experienced their amazing stories and visuals, on par with any action movie. If you had, you’d know how foolish you sound here.
I think they still look amazing and I probably re-play FF7 about once a year and will probably continue to do so.
And Carnick, if you’ve got me pegged as someone who just wants a gorefest with good graphics, you’ve got me all wrong. Right now the PC game I’m currently playing is Mafia, which is almost half a decade old and still amazing. The story is amazing, the graphics are amazing (for their time, and they still look pretty good now,) and the game has a serious story.
It has nothing to do with “dual-pistol wielding women dressed in strips of combat leather, and fluffed up emo anime characters.” Absolutely nothing. The kind of games I want to play have not a thing to do with the words you’ve used - I mostly am a fan of games with realistic gritty environments, and serious stories. Like Mafia. And these kind of games are going to be more for the PS3 than for the Wii.
But if they don’t have blood they are inherently for children? :rolleyes:
If all you want is to play sequel number 5 of the cinematic style games you’ve played and loved, I’m not surprised the Wii doesn’t interest you. There’s no need to be condescending towards people that don’t share your interest.
Who’s being condescending? We’re having a discussion about which video game systems we prefer, and that’s all. I’m not making a personal judgement or attack on anyone. If you’re referring to me calling Carnick’s argument foolish, well, I’m not calling him names, I’m just saying his statement is flawed.
Like I said before, if you prefer the Wii and the kind of games that are out for it, fine. All I’m doing is explaining why it’s not for me. Like Tabby_cat and Just Some Guy said, nobody’s going to change anyone’s mind. This is a matter of personal preference.
I think the Wii console in itself is interesting and shows potential. I will follow the development of this.
I was getting ready to buy one for Zelda, but it’s coming to Gamecube, so I will buy it on that system instead. It should work splendid together with my Gamecube component cables.
As soon as the price drops and I see more games I’m interested in, I think I’ll get one. The other systems are way too costy for me anyhow.
Wait, wuh? You’re the one that brought the “kiddie factor” into this. I made no such claim.
I played Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2, but not 3. I find the whole cinematic game thing to be boring. Initially it was neat, but now games are becoming more about watching them instead of playing them.
That’s the difference, I guess. Some people play games to watch movies, others play games to play them. Yes, some games have amazing, unforgettable stories, but I’m personally tired of watching realistic looking CGI characters spew exposition for 45 minutes before I’m able to do anything of substance. Have you noticed the trend lately of more and more games focusing on mini and even “micro” games? There’s also a huge trend toward retro gaming. I’m not alone in this. People want to get back to what made games great - simple, addictive gameplay. The Wii is attempting to capitalize on this.
Old games used to dump you right into the action from the start screen, and served story to you on the side. The old show not tell, y’know? With games today I have to watch an intro movie, play a forced tutorial teaching me how to look around, watch another cutscene, then maybe after 30 minutes they’ll let me flip a lever in order to activate the next cutscene. It’s boring, and no amount of sophomore level yarns about Russian nukes or magic warrior kings are going to change my mind. I watch movies for that kinda thing.
And yes, Mafia was fun, but if you want to impress me with diversity you should have named a game that didn’t involve slaughter. I like “gritty” (Grand Theft Auto) as well as “kiddie” (Mario). I have no preference as long as there’s solid gameplay behind it. I’m not turned off by bright colors or cartoon characters, I actually see them as refreshing in this world of LOTR derivative crap or mechanized robot anime crap that we’ve seen too many times.
That says it all for me. I guess it’s just a difference of what we want out of our games.
So what exactly is the concept of “miis”? I presume that they act as avatars in lobby areas when you interact with other players (though I’m not sure how much interaction you could have without a keyboard), but do they have any role in the games? Like, when you’re playing Wii Sports, is it your mii that’s onscreen swinging the racket or whatever?
And don’t spoil the new Zelda if you don’t want to, but could someone tell me what used to happen when you fought chickens? Neither of the Zelda games I’ve played had any chickens to attack (NES-- I’m old-school).
