AOC says Superbowl ad is "fascist"

Hear hear! “Oh teh noes, the Republicans might call us Jesus-hating communists…” Like they haven’t been doing that for the last forty years.

Time to stop treating these pimples with kid gloves and start slapping them around with a wet haddock.

Yes, the hate group spent the dollars. Those dollars were donated to the hate group by multiple sources. I don’t see how you think that this supports your argument.

In the article that you posted, it states that “He gets us” is a subsidiary of the Servant’s Foundation. The Servant’s Foundation is a hate group.

Now, it’s not clear as to whether Green donated to Servant’s Foundation or He Gets Us, but he either donated to a hate group or a subsidiary of a hate group, I don’t see a substantial difference there.

So, sure, there are other funders, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a hate group, it just means that other people are anonymously donating to a hate group. Maybe some well meaning people donated to it as well, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not a hate group, it just means that there were people fooled by the way they are making fascism look benign.

That’s why it’s important to point out who is behind these things, rather than attack those who do.

If we can’t call things and people we dislike “fascist” or “Nazi”, we become totally helpless to oppose them, leading to the inevitable triumph of our enemies.

No, I would have to strongly disagree with you there. While I don’t like fascists or Nazis, there are lots of things that I don’t like that I would never think to call fascist of Nazi. I don’t know why you would think that everything that you don’t like is, but that seems excessive.

I assume you don’t like blizzards, do you call them fascists?

And while turning a blind eye towards fascist elements is unwise, and can very well lead to their triumph, not everything that you don’t like is fascist, and there are many tools for opposing fascism.

Can you give any support to the argument that you just laid out?

Evidently, the armor of my sarcasm is impervious to understanding. :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

nevermind

Both involve large numbers of white fragile snowflakes.

Well played!

Seems like a lot of people here are getting carried away. All that’s been established is that this group gets funding from a large foundation which has also funded some hate groups (AFAICT from the cites in this thread, SPLC hasn’t named the Servant’s Whatever itself as a hate group). This appropriately raises some red flags, but it doesn’t justify concluding that they are definitely fascist. The content of the ad itself doesn’t seem particularly offensive (other than insofar as I consider all religious proselytizing highly offensive).

Based on my experience in the Jewish world, the idea that a progressive-ish group might be able to write a grant appealing to shared religious values and successfully get funding from a large, conservative foundation doesn’t seem at all implausible to me. These people see shrinking church membership as a crisis and have a lot of money to throw at anyone offering a solution. I am also aware that “getting funded by” an outside organization is not necessarily at all the same thing as being a “subsidiary” of that organization.

I thought this ad was kind of a mess and it wasn’t clear what they were trying to say other than “hate is bad mmkay?”. But another ad from this group I have seen is very pointedly pro-immigrant, so at the very least they’re not on board with ALL of the Christian Nationalist agenda.

However…it does prominently offer you the opportunity to have a volunteer come personally talk to you about this Jesus fellow. And per the above CNN link, the churches those volunteers come from must “subscribe to the Lausanne Covenant”, which was written by Billy Graham in 1974. IOW, they’re all evangelicals, which statistically means that the vast majority of them are probably fascists. But maybe the group self-selects for liberal evangelicals? Impossible to tell from my vantage point.

Whether out of sincere belief or a cynical desire to keep the collection plates full, it appears that this group is trying to distance evangelical Christianity from the right-wing nationalism that it has become nearly synonymous with in the last few decades. Not my circus, not my monkeys, but I can see why the dwindling remnant of liberal evangelicals would be happy for the support.

P. S. I checked the website and was pleasantly surprised to see that there was no obvious donation button. In fact, they are GIVING AWAY shirts and hats, a sure sign of a grossly overfunded operation.

This is incorrect, and I have cited in this thread

Theocratic authoritarians, but that’s splitting hairs.

This is correct. The ad itself was benign, as AOC stated.

It was the fact that a benign ad was made by a hate group that is the problem.

Is that what you think happened here? Do you have any evidence of this? Anything at all to back up this speculation?

Right, but being a subsidiary of an organization is the same thing as being a subsidiary of an organization.

Right, they put out benign ads. No one has said differently.

And there is no reason at all to even think that to be the case.

No, they want to change the perception from the right wing nationalism it has become synonymous with, but they don’t want to actually distance themselves from it. Hence, deceptive ads that put a benign face on their hateful agendas.

It is amazing what people will do for a free t-shirt.

I got the water bottle!
And by no means am I suggesting that folks go to that website and ‘cash in’ on their very well funded bullshit.

OK, I REALLY don’t want to get drawn into a discussion where I’m defending these people, but in brief:

The cite says the Alliance Defending Freedom is a hate group, not that the Servant Foundation is. One link did describe them as a “subsidiary”, but the others didn’t. And not to in any way minimize their giving tens of millions of dollars to hate groups, but it appears that this foundation gives away billions of dollars every year, so supporting right-wing politics is apparently not their only, or even their main, focus.

My evidence that these people might be on the more liberal side of the evangelical spectrum is the content of their ads. In the absence of definitive evidence to the contrary, I am taking them at face value rather than assuming the worst. Rather Christlike of me, really. :innocent:

As for the t-shirts, well, your username suggests you might occasionally need something to clean poop off the floor with. I’m just sayin’…

Fair enough, I suppose I misparsed the commas.

So, SPLC doesn’t say that Servant Foundation is a hate group, it just donates to hate groups.

Did the others say it wasn’t a subsidiary, or they just didn’t mention it?

I think that this is a “but you fuck just one goat” situation. Donating to hate groups is supporting them. They support hate groups. Whatever else they do doesn’t change that. And, given that I can’t find a list of who they donate to, it’s entirely likely that this isn’t the only hate group they fund.

To me, that’s evidence of their cynicism. Their attempts at making their organization look benign.

I mean, there is evidence to the contrary, in that they support hate groups.

Christ was forgiving, he wasn’t naive.

I guess I failed to see what point you were trying to make with your sarcasm, and so I took it as a sincere post.

I still don’t see what point you were trying to make, were you actually making one, or was this just a random sarcastic non-sequitur?

Take a look at some views on the issue of labeling ones’ enemies as fascists and Nazis, and the light may begin to dawn.

*not that I entirely agree with the latter two opinions, including the Post’s position suggesting that while it’s grievously inappropriate for them to do it, it may well be OK for us.

Mods stepping in, things getting too heated.

I am out of here.

I can see wishing that movie stars, or athletes, wouldn’t weigh in on everything. But politicians? Weighing in on everything is their job.

And we shouldn’t call everyone we dislike fascists, because that reduces the impact when we call out actual fascists. We should call actual fascists, fascists.

No it’s not. I don’t need to know of every organization she dislikes. If it’s really a problem, hold a hearing. Or issue a press release.
Before twitter, these things were rare.

…yeah, well Twitter isn’t going anywhere. It’s either learn to adapt to the way the world is right now and the way that it is heading, or get left behind.

Ah, my mistake, I thought that you were saying something related to the thread. I was really trying to figure out what you were trying to say. Now that I understand you were talking about people unrelated to the thread in anyway, it makes more sense.

Eh, she was talking to her followers. What was rare before twitter is that people who are not her followers spend so much time jumping on everything that she says.

She stated her opinion, just as millions of other twitter users do. Do you get angry that randtwit2002 weighed in on it as well? Why aren’t politicians allowed to express their opinions?