My friend Matt, who is ultra conservative (he referred to himself that way) and I were having a friendly debate today in study hall. As all debates between Liberals and Conservatives seem to go the subject of gay marriage came up. Basically he claimed that marriage was all about sex. He claimed that only a man and woman making love to each other constituted sex and that anal and oral didn’t count. He claimed that sex as he defined it was the definition EVERYONE had of sex. After that he said that gay marriage was an oxymoron because of what I’ve said. I should note that he is all for Civil Unions and doesn’t really have anything against gay people personally or so he claims. He’s also a pretty nice guy despite our differences of opinion.
I wonder how you can’t have something against gay people personally if you think that how and who they love is immoral and wrong. To me that sounds pretty personal.
Also I don’t understand how Christians can say that in the bible “God is love” but yet two men or two women loving each other can be wrong. Isn’t love a good thing? I mean if God is love that must make love a good thing, right?
I guess I’ll never fully understand people.
Note: It was a friendly debate. We weren’t screaming at each other or anything like that.
No, marriage is all about property, specifically financial rights and obligations. Laws dealing with marriage address taxation and inheritance, and do not anywhere mention sex. OTOH, your friend is young and can’t be expected to know about these things.
He and former president Clinton are both wrong.
Wrong again.
It is. And I can assure your friend that at least 2 gay people had sex yesterday (and again this morning).
Christians do not believe in love, they believe in power divorced from virtue and control without limits.
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I actually heard this argument from a liberal, gay-supporting, atheist, educated college friend. “Penetration is sex. Oral and anal are just warm-ups. Ergo, you, as a lesbian, will never have a truly satisfying sexual experience.”
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Xan, he’s probably a really nice guy. Just smile and nod and realize people are just wack.
That was completely unnecessary, and will result in an ugly hijack. Tsk.
My definition of sex is when (usually) two people are engaging in activities meant to lead to orgasm(s). This could be anything from mutual masturbation to full-out vaginal or anal intercourse. Oral counts. So does solo masturbation. Or, obviously, more than two people.
I thought this was a pretty common outlook these days. Am I wrong?
My apologies for the side-comment on Christian belief. I’m not sorry for the content and have no problems defending it in another thread, but I don’t want to sidetrack this discussion. So just ignore it.
Hate to tell you this, but you’re wrong, in many cases at least. I think you are letting your oft-stated dislike of religion, especially Christianity, cloud your thinking. It’s too bad that a poster like you who often has interesting and witty things to say, has such a blind spot.
oh, he’s probably excluding various forms of messing around as sex in order to preserve his own virtue. Then remind him that Woody Allen said that sex is only dirty if done correctly.
For the record, I’d like to state that I don’t think all Christians are like how I stated in my OP. I should have been clearer in my OP and said “some Christians” instead of making it seem like I meant all of them. I’m sorry if I’ve offended anyone.
All you fagosexuals always going on about how much sex you’ve had. Disgusting. Why can’t you just be like normal decent people and have a flirt thread? {{{HUGS!}}} ::smooch::
And that’s the point where I would’ve told your friend Matt that he’s an idiot and any remaining “arguments” he had were completely meaningless. “Nice guy” or not.
If it were just about sex, there’d be no arguments other than “Mind your own business and stop beating up gay people.”
If it were just about property or visitation rights, then civil unions would be fine.
And if it were about Christianity, or in fact about religion at all, then people would realize that virtue and love are separate from, and more important than, sex.
Anyone who’s shallow enough to say that marriage is about nothing more than sex or making babies, doesn’t deserve to be married, and sure as hell doesn’t have any business telling me what I can and can’t do.
