If the vast majority of Muslims are entirely respectful of other religions, why do 316,764,924 of them at an absolute bare minimum want to kill apostates?
By Tim Sculthorpe, Mailonline Deputy Political Editor
Published: 12:06, 22 December 2015 | Updated: 13:22, 22 December 2015
An independent inquiry into UK Sharia courts ordered by Home Secretary Theresa May will get underway in the new year and report in 2016, it has been confirmed today.
The probe follows growing concern about how the courts operate a parallel justice system which works against women in Muslim communities.
Speaking at the Home Affairs Select Committee last week Mrs May said she was aware of concerns and promised a review to MPs.
She told the committee: 'I am very aware that there is concern about how Sharia courts are operating in some circumstances in the UK.
Minister for Countering Extremism Lord Ahmad said today: 'The Government is committed to an independent review to understand the extent to which Sharia may be being misused, or applied in a way which is incompatible with the law in the UK.
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My Government does not waist its time with enquires if there is not cause for concern a concern shared with other European Governments.
Time to stop shouting bull shit and time to find a few facts that you will not like
Meaning that (assuming for the sake of the point that poll was accurate) 80% of Muslims don’t support a death penalty for apostasy. 80% is a vast majority where I come from.
So your proof that “Muslims are governed by Sharia Law and as far as they are concerned Sharia Law is above US Law. They will obey US Law when it is to their advantage disobey it when it is not” is an investigation that hasn’t happened yet, in a different country?
Why bother with an investigation, clearly you and yours have your minds fully made up already.
You understand that the “Sharia courts” referenced in the article are arbitration panels created under English and Welsh law, yes?
YES, BUT, also there are sharia courts operating outside of the law. Under Sharia Law a husband is allowed to beat his wife as long as he does not leave a visible mark (no chance of that when she is enveloped in Islamic dress) He is a criminal and should be tried under U.K. law, but so few Muslim woman will risk being ostracised by her community by going to the police. Divorce is another problem for Muslim woman the chances of them getting a divorce through a Sharia court are zero.
So what does any of that have to do with your original claim?
Could be a good idea for some of you to do some homework
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faith freedom international a site founded by Muslims/ex Muslims
also try the ex-Muslim ass, of N. America
I hope I have not upset the moderators by posting these sites but I think there is a need for a few facts Hopes this helps
Well, there’s certainly a need for facts. But I don’t think you understand how message boards work.
No, certainly not at all the same, so now I guess you understand my point. As for “similar properties”, no, that would require making a whole bunch of reckless assumptions and ridiculously broad generalizations about a person’s character based on the fact that they were wearing traditional garments and therefore appeared “different” and “foreign” to the observer – and moreover, reckless assumptions and ridiculous generations about how such a person might negatively affect the observer personally. This is pretty much the dictionary definition of prejudice.
Nice try, but no. You were originally making a point about appearance, and I was demonstrating the superficial and prejudicial nature of judging a person that way. If you now want to start quibbling about specific kinds of appearance and what might be read into them, sure I’ll play along. Depending on the job description or social event or whatever relevant context, I might expect someone to be neatly dressed and groomed and would make the appropriate private judgment about someone showing up looking like an unkempt bum, because in the right context that does tell me something relevant. But what does a naqib tell you? Say, a neat, clean, properly fashioned naqib? What does it say except “Muslim”? Or is it your point that that’s all it needs to say for us to ostracize and condemn them?
That ridiculous point was already addressed in that ridiculous thread. How come none of the listed countries – exactly zero – are modern western nations? If this is a “Muslim” problem, why don’t those Muslims believe the same crap?
Under UK and US law a man could rape his wife - until the early 1990s.
In a timescale of 2000 years, are you claiming the Anglo Saxon Christains are morally ahead by 30 years?
It rather depends on the question being discussed though, doesn’t it? Remember, we are talking about whether it is morally right to hang, behead, or stone an otherwise completely blameless individual purely for the “crime” of deciding that, actually, Islam just isn’t for him. For me, the fact that a mere 80% of Muslims have the right answer to this question is horrifying, not reassuring.
It’s like if 20% of Americans were vegetarians, and the rest all ate roast beef on Sunday. I’d be perfectly happy to say “The vast majority of Americans eat roast beef on a Sunday”. But if 20% of Americans were paedophiles, I wouldn’t say “The vast majority of Americans aren’t paedophiles”, I’d say “Holy fuck! That’s a lot of paedophiles! What the hell’s wrong with America?”
Besides, the poll (which I’m confident is accurate, given Pew’s pedigree) doesn’t tell the whole story. Saudi Arabia wasn’t polled. Nor was Iran, or Nigeria, or Syria, or Somalia, or UAE, or Yemen. I would imagine we could probably add a few tens of millions more to the total if they were. The poll also doesn’t account for Muslims who do want the death penalty for apostasy, but don’t (for whatever reason) want Sharia to be law of the land (see my linked OP for more details). It also doesn’t include actual jihadists, among whom I’d imagine approval for the death penalty for apostasy would be virtually unanimous, so we can add another million or so there. It also doesn’t include Muslims from Western countries like France or Britain (where, according to a BBC poll, 36% of 16-24 year old Muslims and 19% of over 55 year old Muslims also favour killing apostates). It also doesn’t include Muslims who would shy away from the death penalty but who would be in favour of other horribly retrograde punishments (floggings, imprisonment, etc…)
Factor all that in, and that 80% figure starts to look more and more like just a reassuring fantasy. So, I ask again, is it really fair to say the vast majority of Muslims are tolerant of other faiths?
Since you admitted in the other thread that you didn’t know what the numbers were for any other religion, it doesn’t really matter, does it?
Believing that someone who leaves their faith should be punished tells us nothing about attitudes towards those who were never lucky enough to be Muslim in the first place.
Your poll numbers are irrelevant to a discussion about reactions to a woman in a headscarf.
Numbers don’t change based on your emotional reaction to them. You differed with the phrase “the vast majority of Muslims are entirely respectful of other religions”, and now admit that 80%, in other contexts, is a “vast majority”.
Eh. I’m sure Pew does the best they can, but polling in unfree or tribalistic places that aren’t accustomed to polls is inherently fraught with the potential for inaccuracy.
It’s your number; I don’t know what you want from me.
Yes.
YES and the change in the law was overdue by many years, the problem is under Sharia Law Muslim men still have that right and their wives have to submit
Yeah, I really don’t give a shit about Bubba Joe who is in favor of hanging black folks who dare have sexual relations with a white woman (or some other stupid shit like that, take your pick.) The only ones I am concerned about are the ones that actually saddle up in their dually pick up truck and actually go hunting for black folks.
I mean hell, speaking anecdotally, the crap I see on FB against Muslims is absolutely appalling! Just the other day, someone posted an anti-Muslim meme. It had a picture of a nuclear bomb going off, on it, it read: “We dropped a bomb on Japan and they haven’t given us shit since. I say we nuke Islam.”
This post I might add, had several thousand likes. Most of them supposedly Christian. So I’m not really impressed with your numbers as as Christians seem to have the same amount of hate in them.
Quite true, I’m appalled by the anti-Muslim venom that I see on Facebook, all of which get many thousands of shares and likes and comments.
If you’re worried about Sharia law, I think that identifies you as a bigot. The Mafia has its code, are we worried about it trumping US law? So there are some codes of conduct that some Muslims observe. Big ass deal. The laws in that jurisdiction are just as valid as before and any Muslim that breaks a secular law will be punished just like any other lawbreaker, regardless of whether the act violates Sharia.
Yep, because apparently people think “Islam” is a place where no American citizens live.
Damn you! Where were you when I needed a snappy comeback on FB? 
Your basic point is absolutely valid. Thank Lord Matthew Hale. “The husband cannot be guilty of a rape committed by himself upon his lawful wife, for by their mutual matrimonial consent and contract the wife hath given up herself in this kind unto her husband, which she cannot retract.”
In nitpicky fairness, though, in the U.S. rape is a state crime, and the trend for states to remove the martial exception for rape laws began in the late 1970s. The early 1990s saw the last state eliminate the martial rape exception; the rest of the country had laready done so.