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I think you’ve missed Kinthalis’ point. The reason behind the beginning of life is completely irrelevant to evolution. The only thing that matters is what happens to life once it arises. All evolution really is, is creatures 1) with differences, 2) that can be passed on to offspring, 3) that furthermore make them better/worse able to pass on those traits, 4) in an environment with limited resources that weeds out the weaker organisms.
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I didn’t miss that point, I just made my own point.
[QUOTE=Voyager] So, do you accept evolution, or don’t you?
What do you mean by everything happening having a reason? Is there a reason a 7 came up when I just threw two dice? Is there a reason the Tongan royalty was killed by some stupid girl racing on a freeway? In the macroworld, you might say everything has a cause, but that’s different from everything having a reason.
Does your requirement of a reason mean that the result is predictable? Looking backwards, we can see how things evolved, but we can’t predict what will evolve, and if we ran things over again we might come up with a different result. And if someone caused humans to be the result of evolution, who was it?
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OK, here I, we, are confusing reason with cause and cause with reason. I use them interchangable, I guess you don’t. Sorry.
hmm, I’m curious that some of you are blaming the religiosity of America and Turkey as on the surface they are two of the most secular countries on the planet (except maybe China).
They are two nations in which the separation between Church and State is clearly defined, compared to say Britain which has Bishops in its Upper Chamber or Germany where both the main parties have Christian in their names.
[QUOTE=lekatt]
OK, here I, we, are confusing reason with cause and cause with reason. I use them interchangable, I guess you don’t. Sorry.
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Okay. Say I’m walking down the street, and a meteorite comes down and knocks me flat. I can trace the cause of this event back to the beginning of the solar system, with perturbation by planets etc. I’d be hard pressed to find a reason for it. What would you call the reason? Was some deity angry at me, or perhaps me getting zapped has some reprecussion later.
I’m curious how you’d equate reason and cause in an example like this.
So, do you accept evolution, or don’t you?