No, just whooshed. 
I know that and have no problem with it. Thing is, it’s a lot easier for a man to force himself on an unwilling or dead drunk woman than vice versa. I have been incapacitated by drink many times and could no more penetrate than the Man in the Moon. Somewhat soberer, sure, but that gets us into the realm of “it seemed like a good idea at the time,” rather than rape. But I might be shallower than some guys.
I am not denying the possibility that an adult male can be raped. A few months back we had a thread where a poster asked if he had been butt-raped in an alcoholic stupor and if he would die of AIDS from it. We dismissed his fears as probably groundless, for lack of evidence, but I know it can happen. I simply question whether female-on-male rape is as common as the study claims, if we use the traditional definition of rape as sexual violence, rather than a drunken, “Sounds like fun.”
And my contention is that that is a very rare situation and inclined to failure. My reference to a porn site was because that situation is more like a letter to Penthouse than a common reality.
According to FBI stats these “National Intimate Partner” assholes are reporting, oh, about 2.5 times the number of rapes (apprx. 2.5 million per year) that the FBI knows about (apprx. 80k for 2013). (no, I do not go along with the prennial contention that most rape is unrepoerted)
And on top of that I don’t think women are anywhere near as likely to commit rape, either forcible or statutory as men. I mean, most men are still stronger than most women, aren’t they? And how can the act be considered forcible if the man is sufficiently aroused to penetrate???
most != all.
Also, “you’re going to go down on me or I’ll fire you” (oral sex counts as “made to penetrate”) is definitely sexual violence even if it’s not by definition rape.
Plus, the presence or lack thereof of arousal has long been no excuse to sexual violence when committed against a woman. I see no reason the same shouldn’t be true of men.
Um, there is the little problem of tumescence, which usually requires arousal. No boner no workee.
I joined this thread for the purpose of questioning the OP cite’s data, and I am not going to get involved in a free-ranging debate of this sad and distasteful matter. That may not be possible to avoid unless I drop the subject, so don’t expect another reply out of me.
Not sure what you are getting at here, but probably over 90% of all healthy men are enough stronger than over 90% of all healthy women to be able to commit forcible rape.
I doubt this is a frequent enough occurrence to make a noticeable difference in any graph of the data.
The point of mentioning arousal is not to justify violence, but to suggest potential evidence of consent.
What I’m seeing here is some odd effort to increase the number of victims of sexual violence, by hook or by crook, so they can say, “This happens to men, too.” Except, by their own admission, they don’t have enough data to give quantities of rape of adult males, just percentages of respondents. Nearly all of the male rape they quantify seems to be of children, and we already know that’s a problem.
It seems to be a lousy survey methodologically. They don’t even define what “non-contact unwanted sexual experiences” means. Is it being fired because you didn’t put out? That is far more likely for women than it is for men. Is it getting winked at by someone you don’t desire? Then the numbers may be low, though many men may not report it because it doesn’t fit a reasonable definition of sexual violence.
Physical rape of anybody, man, woman, or child, is a terrible thing, but forcing your numbers to make a point is also wrong.
Arousal is a physiological response: it means that the body is responding to some stimulus (which may not even have anything to do with the people nearby, ever heard of morning wood?), but not necessarily that the person owning the body is into whatever is happening.
Yeah, but in a threat situation Little John tends to hide rather than join the festivities, unless he’s into it, but then it wouldn’t be unwilling. Sure, one can probably be manipulated to full erection while under duress, but how long will it last before the flight reflex takes hold? Hint: Not very.
I’m a bit charmed by women who give guys more credit for sexual prowess than they deserve. 
Well I’m a dummy: I’m easily whooshed. Good one, though. 
Joke: man wakes up after passing out at a party, and there’s a woman going down on him. He pretends he’s still asleep.
Friend asks: How do you know it was a woman?
Answer: Teeth.
I’m thinking it’s got to be drunk sex. It’s the largest component of rape of women: it stands to reason it’s the largest component among men.
Yeah well, this woman was thinking in terms of children (or people otherwise non completely compos mentis at the time) being manipulated into doing things that they wouldn’t have done themselves. Like say, masturbate in front of their grandfather’s friends. Or people being made promises “if you’re just nice”.
This woman knows that “duress” doesn’t always involve guns. I don’t believe women rape as much as men, and the document being discussed needs to clarify methodology and vocabulary - but the idea that it’s impossible for Little John to perform unless the male attached to it really wants to is preposterous.
Hear that, Little John? The nice lady says it’s okay for you to get hard. How do I know she’s nice? I’ve known her online for years, and I might’ve met her ten years ago, but I was drinking at the time. Then why is she beating me up? I’ll ask her…she says it’s because she wants you to get hard. Little John? Where are you, Little John?
Good, she stopped. Now she says that, if you’re good, she’ll buy me an ice cream. I’m not really into ice cream right now, but she’s cute, so what the hell. Ah, that’s a good boy! 
Never said it was impossible for an adult male to get hard under duress; just said it was unlikely enough to make for a very boring poll. Teens are a different story, since their normal state is erect or just about to get erect. But I’ve developed a fair understanding of the methodology of surveys since I joined here and now realize most of them are so poorly constructed and presented as to be worthless.
Well, that’s certainly another possibility: maybe the study’s just worthless.
I do know from trying to track down statistics for various things, that different organizations come up with wildly different stats, even when they’re trying to measure the same thing. (This is particularly true, when the organizations have different agendas.) I just thought this one might be worth more than some, since it - presumably - doesn’t have an agenda.
I’m still going with the number of men reporting “made to penetrate” is probably a reflection of drunk sex, since the definition includes “when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent.” Having an erection when you’re unconscious/asleep is a perfectly common thing. It certainly is for me. I suppose I could look up cites, but I thought this was common knowledge. If not, let me know.