This is offensive on several levels.
(& I was het, last time I checked.)
Would these particular dykes be the ones who refer to themselves as “bois”? (Yes I know the term is also used by some gay fellows)
It appears to be a subculture thing; according to Female Chauvinist Pigs, they’re emulating the sexual freedom (as they see it) of hetero boys: not into commitments, prefer promiscuity including the whole “scoring” mentality, etc
The difference in the above two paragraphs is that straight guys who are attracted to women dressed in school uniforms are at least attracted to their preferred sex (regardless of how icky it is to be attracted to little girls).
As a hetero female, I don’t understand this about lesbians. If a lesbian, by definition, is attracted to women, why are some of them attracted to women who look like men?
I’ve had lesbian acquaintences, but I’ve never broached the subject with them, so I would be happy to hear from the lesbians on the board.
Incidentally, I definitely think there’s a huge difference between being attracted to women in schoolgirl outfits and being attracted to actual schoolgirls. It’s the difference between wanting to beat your partner with their consent, and wanting to beat them without their consent. Tons of people - my WAG is most people - are hot for things in fantasy that they would never participate in “in real life”, not only because it would be wrong but because they don’t actually have an urge to do so.
For one thing, most butch women look more like butch women than like men. Second, why shouldn’t a woman be attracted to a woman with that particular combination of traits? People are different from one another and are attracted to different things in a partner. I’m attracted to femme and androgynous guys (and butch ones too), because they just make me hot. You’re attracted to whom you’re attracted to; there’s nothing to “prove.”
Thanks for answering my question, as I continue to hi-jack this thread. I can understand what you’ve said, to some extent anyway, because there are “pretty” straight men that a lot of women are attracted to. But it *seems * like butch women are trying hard to look like men, going so far as to keep their hair very short and dress in what are traditionally men’s clothes. It seems like that’s different than a heterosexual man just looking pretty. He’s not dressing in women’s clothes (well, most of the time anyway 
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Obviously, it’s difficult for me to know this for a fact, but if I were a lesbian, I would probably be attracted to feminine-looking women. If I’m attracted to women, I’m attracted to women, not women who look kinda like men. But I suppose that’s my choice. I just don’t get it. But then again, I don’t have to get it, since it’s none of my business and it shouldn’t have to be explained to me. I was just curious.
As to the OP, I agree with the others that say they aren’t trying to look like little boys, so it seems ridiculous to think they have fantasies of pedophilia.
Exactly. Some lesbians are only attracted to “lipstick lesbians” while others are to butch lesbians and it’s largely personal preference, BUT remember that we’re talking about mannerisms and not identity here. Brandon Teena, for example, wasn’t a butch lesbian but transgendered, a male born with the wrong parts. Butch lesbians, just like really femme acting gay guys, may have a lot more of the interests traditionally associated with the opposite sex rather than their own (i.e. butch lesbians may like sports and rebuilding carburetors instead of cooking and crocheting, femme guys may go to Barbie conventions and not have a clue what “bases loaded” means) but they do identify with their birth gender and still have all the right parts and all the right moves when the Barry White starts playing and the shedding starts.
Of course femme gay guys and butch lesbians are as illogical as anybody else in what they like. A friend of mine from high school is nellier than Allison Arngrim but he’s also a champion knife thrower and has welding tools.
My favorite professor as an undergrad was a butch lesbian historian who I adored (she was like a favorite uncle to me), and though lipstick melted when it came within 40 feet of her and I would look no more out of place in a dress than she would, she loved baking and other “girl stuff” and at her eulogy we learned that she had another “girl talent”.
Each year she bought several Barbie dolls or Barbie knockoffs (male and female) and through the year she’d sew complete wardrobes for each of them. The outfits she made ranged from the regular “beachware” and “tux/wedding gown” Barbie stuff to the “you’re never gonna find this in a store” outfits (Elizabethan gowns, togas, Star Trek style fantasy-sci/fi clothes, etc.) and at Christmas she’d donate them, each in a box she made containing their trousseau, to a Toys-for-Tots style program conducted through a local church she didn’t attend. The church was homophobic (which she knew) and she was agnostic, but she admired their work with the poor and thought it was the best shot her anonymous one-of-a-kind gift would have at getting to exactly the right little girls or little boys.
Sorry, got off track, but the point is that under the overalls she wore on off-days and the plaid she wore in class she had boobies. And while butch, she also sewed little delicate stitches (but even if she hadn’t she’d have still had boobies).
You had me up until the bolded part. Now I’m REALLY confused! I didn’t see the movie based on his life, but would a man stuck in a woman’s body who is attracted to women be considered hetero or homosexual? And what would the other woman be?
I guess it doesn’t matter, since it’s just two people in love, but I’m wondering what or if they label themselves.
Man, I’ve not only hijacked this thread, I’ve derailed it completely! :smack:
If I have to reply again, I’ll start a new thread.
An FtM transexual who is attracted to females would be considered straight, an FtM transexual who is attracted to males would be gay. The girl attracted to them would also be considered straight or a guy attracted to them would be gay. (pending anything else they might choose to call themselves)
I can’t believe anyone would actually ask a question like this. Can you spell TROLL…?
Not everyone has had Trans 101, ratatoskK. As long as Nutty Bunny is asking questions rather than intentionally insulting people, let’s try to answer.
I’m guessing ratatoskK’s statement was directed at the OP…
Because it’s hot.
Sorry, not trying to be flip, but that’s pretty much the only reason anyone finds anything sexually attractive. Why do some men like blonde women? Why do some women like guys with lots of chest hair? There’s really not any other answer than, “Because that’s what they like.”
Yes, it was directed at the OP, which I think was intentionally inflammatory.
Ok, sorry for the snark.
Calling someone a troll is forbidden outside the Pit. Don’t do this again.
That said, whether the OP is ignorant, disingenuous, or deliberate, I’m going to change the word “dykes” in the title to “women”.
Please carry on with the informative parts of the thread.
Maybe it’s because lesbians are not only attracted to female bodies, but also female minds. Maybe they feel that even the most masculine woman is still more approachable, sensitive, and understandable than your average man.
Or maybe they like all things masculine and manly, except that one little (or big) thing.
Sometimes I also wonder if androgeny is attractive because you do get the best of both worlds–one gender blended with another. I think that’s why diva-style drag queens fascinate me (not in a sexual way, but in an entertainment way). Maybe lesbians attracted to butchy women are similarly fascinated.
VCO3 does appear to be talking about lesbian "boi"s.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/n_9709/index1.html
Does seem a bit fishy, but I’d vote on it being the fantasy angle that interests most. If there is any sort of underteen lust in there, I imagine it’s a minority.
There’s a scene in one of Lois McMaster Bujold’s books which may be relevant (to NuttyBunny not the OP.
Mark is talking to Countess Cordelia Vorkosigan and asks her something about her husband’s sexual habits or desires. She responds by telling him that in her opinion, Count Aral Vorkosigan is primarily attracted to soldiers. (And on Barrayar, his planet soldiers are always men). And then one day, Aral met Cordelia, who was a soldier from Beta Colony. He fell in love at once. It took her a couple more days. She never bothered to explain to him that when he fell in love with her, it was just his compulsions jumping up. (I’m not sure she really explains why she fell in love with him.)
It’s just a small scene in the larger novel (and even larger Vorkosigan saga), and of course it’s fiction (science fiction). But I do think the underlying message is valid, that sometimes people are attracted to the package–be that the package of a drag queen, a teen-ager, a school girl, or Miss America-- and sometimes people are attracted to the substance, the person, with the interests and personality which happens to be inside that package.
That article annoys me for a multitude of reasons, not least because it insists on referring to as “she” a person who clearly states he would prefer to be referred to as “he.” It even says, “She insists on being called ‘he.’” Well, could we take a hint, then, please?