Come to think of it, it’s pretty creepy to tell a 13-year-old that they have a lot to learn about degenerate behavior. I mean, geez, don’t most 13-year-olds? I hope so. That doesn’t mean it’s my job or yours to fill them in.
When that 13 year old is on a high horse lecturing all of us about degenerate behavior (and by using a stupid ad for a swimsuit magazine as an example) then I’ll give him a piece of my mind, frankly.
I’ve said it before. He can dish it out, he can take it.
I don’t know, tell him not to use the board to inappropriately communicate with young kids? But it’s your message board, man, if you think that’s a good use of it, then have at it.
Ladies and gentlemen, the Straight Dope Message Board. Where child porn is fit for children but dirty words aren’t fit for adults.
Good luck, you poor bastards.
He’s a teenager who thinks he knows everything. They do that. Did you not get the memo? Any ‘correction’ is going to be ignored and by the time he learns better you and this place will be a distant memory. Let him find out the hard way. Or does it bother you that much that you’re being judged by some kid on the internet?
I don’t think you have it to spare.
I want to apologize. Someone started a thread requesting “evil” books, I suggested Hogg, and Argent Towers took that and ran with it. Knowing now what I knew then, I’d have kept my mouth shut.
And for the record, if an adult suggested that book to a child or young teen in my care, I would assume they had ulterior motives. (Even if that motive is simply, ‘let’s fuck with a kid’s mind in a major way’.) It’s art, but not all art is for 13 year olds.
So this really is a question of pure social retardation, then? You just feel the need to compare swinging dicks (metaphorically) with a thirteen year old?
Yes, yes, yes.
His yak cock stupidity was just eyerollingly obnoxious but his obsession with that book puts him in a whole different freak zone.
Can’t he just go back to his homoerotic fantasies about dead guys from the Middle Ages?
My grandson is thirteen, extremely smart and advanced for his age in many ways and has had the editors of various publications print his opinion letters since he was ten with no one realizing his age–yet he’s perfectly capable of being confused about sexuality, appropriate behaviors and how far is too far. If some adult recommended that book to him I’d seek that adult out and at the *very *least we’d have an extremely uncomfortable (for them) discussion about age appropriate reading materials and the inadvisability of bypassing parental oversight of what sort of media a child should be exposed to. At thirteen a kid should be obsessing over whether or not he’s going to kiss his girlfriend, not reading about some poor child being used as a cum dumpster by a series of disgusting men.
The point has been made that the book in question has the power to make YOU, a putative adult, obsessive to a remarkably uncomfortable degree with it–why, precisely, would I want my much beloved grandchild to risk becoming equally captivated? How, exactly, would you propose I go about discussing this book with him, as I do many of the books he reads, to answer his questions about the material and how it should be reconciled to his own world view and perceptions? Answer is–fuck dude, I refuse to read the fucking book out of sheer distaste, I certainly don’t want to be forced to read it just to have a snowball’s chance of helping him cope with the sequelae of experiencing such a sordid and appalling batch of subject matter. You wanna read that shit, bully for you–but DO NOT presume to saddle someone else with the nasty chore of trying to help a child out with a brain bleach soak to get it out of his head. Have your own goddamned kids and teach them any filthy shit you like and hopefully CPS will be there to explain to you where you crossed the line. Since you don’t have the responsibility to ensure Curtis’ reconciliation with the subject matter, you also do not have the privilege of suggesting it to him. Period.
Seriously, is this incredibly lame appeal to authority the best you can do to defend this piece of trash? Fuck you, the horse you rode in on, and Norman Mailer too–just because coprophiles exist doesn’t mean every fucking restaurant on the face of the planet should have shit sammiches on the menu. You wanna lick Delany’s filthy taint, you go right ahead, but leave the kids out of it–you obviously still have not gained enough perspective, wisdom and insight to be guiding the literary education of a child. The fact that you can’t go ten minutes without fapping over this one fucking book shows how incredibly juvenile you yourself still are and quite frankly the adults on the board have been trying like blue hell to let you know this, but as is typical for the mentally and socially undeveloped you seem fairly incapable of taking a fucking hint. Have you considered reading maybe another book sometime? Maybe something that’s uplifting to more than your bedsheets?
Be careful, lest ye get schooled in the difference between topics and language.
Please don’t take responsibility for someone else’s bad judgment. You neither caused his obsession nor suggested that he recommend that book to minors.
This place is fucking bizarro-land.
It was incredibly bad judgement, AT. You don’t recommend pedophile rape porn to children. It doesn’t matter how lofty you believe your motives were. You are not his parent. It’s not your job or your place to “open his mind.” I don’t think you intended any harm. I don’t think you intended anything sinister or sleazy. I think you got a little too far up your own ass with your own righteous idealism (I’ve got a closet full of those T-shirts myself) and forgot who you were talking to, and what the real world consequences could be.
Yes, in a text-based medium, it’s easy to lose perspective on who the real people are that you’re talking to, especially when they’re as precocious and bright as Curtis is, but dude, when it comes to kids, you have to draw a line. It doesn’t matter how you personally feel about what kids should be exposed to, you have to be aware of how things look to others, and you have to be respectful of their parents, who are actually doing the real world, hard, dirty job of raising these kids and guidfing them, and correcting them, and loving them and knowing them. I’m a very laissez faire parent myself. My kids watch South Park and Family Guy with me. I play GTA games with them. I’m not especially protective, but I would not do those things with someone else’s kids without explicit permission, and I have to say that if someone were to contact one of my kids in a PM and recommend the book that you recommended, I would be pissed. That’s a book that I, as a 43 year old, can’t get my head around. b]Curtis** is a kid who thinks masturbation is naught, and uses phrases like “burning with lust,” without irony. He’s probably never seen porn in his life, and you’re going to recommend something that makes your average Beeline novel look like Judy Blume?
Poor judgement, bro.
I used to work with kids as a teacher and ran some summer day camps and after school clubs. If I had recommended this book to a student, I would have been fired, and no philosophical justification would have saved me. You can get yourself into serious trouble with this shit. It looks bad. Use some common sense.
Hell, and I was worried that the debate about whether masturbation was a sin might be a little on the edge for discussion with a 13 year old.
I do find it amusing that you originally wrote “Delany’s long-dead filthy taint”. I was going to reply to tell you that Delany is very much alive, but I guess you figured that out on your own.
So it’s official then. We all have to be extra careful not to post anything that offends “the children”. :rolleyes:
What a bunch of sanctimonious fucks.
Marley, since you are posting, can I ask what the minimum age for posting on this board is?
You’ve ever had a point?
Nobody but you gives a shit about Delany. Do try to stay on topic, dear.
It’s not my board, but the subject is under discussion.
Modding concerns aside, “porn” does not mean “something I think is gross.” I’m not going to read this thing to find out if it’s porn or not, but I’ll make that general point on literary grounds.
A 13 year old doesn’t have enough actual perspective or life experience to have much of a horse to get up on, much less a high one. As an adult, you should know this. And if you don’t then you really have no business discussing much of anything with a 13 year old.
Stop thinking of kids as miniature adults.
And for fucks sake, stop defending your lousy actions.
From the registration agreement:
Yeah, I don’t think there’s any question that Hogg is actual pornography. We’re all mostly adults here, Marley, we understand the difference between “eww, that makes me uncomfortable” and porno.
Yeah, I got a point. You’re an asshole.
And do try to stay on topic.