And you do realize that the Feingold in the title was a Democrat, don’t you?
Or don’t you realize that?
Yes, Dewey, please do tell us more. Or at least tell us something; as **Homebrew ** points out, you don’t even fucking read and understand your *own * “cites”. You do realize how much your childish spitefulness gets you into trouble on this board, don’t you? Well, maybe you don’t.
Mr. Moto, you do realize that McCain-Feingold was gutted before passage by the Republicans who were finally shamed into bringing it to the floor against their wishes? You also do realize that McCain is a loose cannon who by no means is part of the GOP leadership? You didn’t?
Did either of you know about the House GOP refusing to let the Dems on the budget committee even see the budget, much less have any input to it? You didn’t?
Go fight your own ignorance before you display it here. For your own good.
Bill Saletan goes point by point through the Governator’s speech to show that, by its logic, it proves Bush is *not * a Republican.
Yes, moron, that’s part of what makes it bipartisan. Doesn’t make it a compromise, though.
Wow, there’s been a lot of activity in this thread since I logged off last night. A few random thoughts:
WRT, Arnold’s intelligence, I think that his success is do to a few admirable traits as well as a bit of luck. Arnold is goal driven, optimistic, has a work ethic and has a natural likeability. His Mr. Universe titles were entirely self-earned and he worked his ass off to get them. No argument there. His movie success was a result of having a good screen presence (despite the accent and lack of acting ability) as well as some fairly shrewd decisions such as taking the Terminator role. This was probably the best decision he ever made as an actor because it had had very little dialogue and it allowed him to use his strengths (i.e. walking around looking like a badass) while minimizing his weaknesses (acting, dialogue). It was shrewd because he saw (or his agent saw) that by playing a villain in a good movie he would get more career milage than by playing the hero in a bad movie. It was also lucky because the movie was very well made and was a huge hit. It led to better parts and bigger budgets than he would have gotten otherwise. Another part of Arnold’s movie success was that he never took himself too seriously and he played everything just a little tongue in cheek.
Having said all that, likeability, optimism, hard work and luck are still not dependent on a high IQ, and I’ve never thought that Arnold was exactly a genius. It was not terribly bright for him to say that he admired Hitler in any context. He also comes off like a dumb body builder in those old interviews where he talks about gangbanging women in the bathroom and throws the word “fag” around. In his campaign for Governor he showed no signs at all that he really grasped any complex issues of policy and, in fact, he was derisive when answering questions about them. “Californians don’t care about facts and figures,” he said. Well maybe not, but the Governor better damn well care.
WRT Spielberg/Castro: Spielberg doesn’t hold an elected office and hasn’t spoken at any conventions. When he does I’ll be happy to revisit the issue.
Finally, I just want to say it’s nice to see gobear posting again, even if it’s just to give us a lecture. Hope you hang around, gb. 
So what? It was principally opposed by Republicans. If that isn’t a compromise, what is? Quit moving the goalposts.
And you realize Feingold is the name of a Democrat, right?
Look, campaign finance reform was opposed almost exclusively by Republicans, particularly conservative republicans. In the Senate, every single “no” vote came from a Republican. It was derided in the pages of conservative journals and by conservative talk radio hosts, and praised by their liberal opposite numbers. If signing that bill isn’t a compromise with the other party, what is?
Every one of us?
I guess with that statement, that would include you.
I don’t suppress facts, I don’t use quotes out of context, and I don’t inflate(I blow, big difference).
Further, I’ve done nothing of the sort in this thread.
So, you’re talking out of YOUR ass.
Then it would be too late. We’ll eventually get there anyway, I predict within 75 years.
Because, thanks to Bush, he was able to lose about 20 pounds in just under two seconds?
-Joe, on the hiiiiiiighway to hell!
To quote myself, “Yes, moron, that’s part of what makes it bipartisan. Doesn’t make it a compromise, though”.
That’s absurd. Among the opponents of that bill were the ACLU, Alliance for Justice and the AFL-CIO. Public Campaign withdrew support after limits on personal contributions were raised. It was roundly derided by liberal advocacy groups in advance of passage. The Bipartisan Campaign Refom Act of 2002 was poorly conceived, if well intentioned, when it was introduced. Then, it was gutted before it passed. It’s idiotic to claim that it’s passage was in any way a compromise. It was pandering to the clamor in the public for reform, but it was meaningless and ineffectual.
An example of compromise would be the Family and Medical Leave Act.
The Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 was principally supported by Congresscritters from farm states - at least those with certain program crops. It was a pork barrell sop that mostly benefited Big Agribusiness like ConAgra or Monsanto . It was opposed by many family farmers and real liberals such as Food First or Conscious Choice.
Homebrew, if you could please produce a working definition of “compromise” it would be useful, because as it stands it appears you reject any amount of reaching across party lines as fitting your definition.
DtC, I don’t meant to lecture,; I just want the partisan rancor to subside and let reason, not emotion, rule.
Mockingbird, Weirddave has your number, you have a serious anger problem combined with an utter lack of proportion.
Nope, they aren’t. The Republicans wrote it and introduced it but they weren’t the only ones voting for it. It passed the Senate 98-1, NINETY EIGHT TO ONE! and that includes Kerry’s yea vote BTW. It passed the House 357-66. That includes 145 -or over 70% - of the Democrats voting Yea.
Short of a House Resolution to establish sunshine as a good thing for plants, I’ve never seen a piece of legislation get such overwhelming support from both sides of the aisle.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Holy shit!
Thanks, t-keela. That’s pretty damn bad. Entertaining, but bad.
And I thought Reagan said some woppers. Oy vey.
He’s no genius, a genius is a guy like Norman Einstein - Joe Theisman
You seem to be confusing bipartisan with compromise. A compromise is when two parties want something different, they each give a little and get a little. For instance, Clinton wanted to lift the ban on homosexuals in the military. The Troglodyte Right threw a hissy fit. A compromise was struck and we ended up with Don’t Ask. Don’t Tell.
This case turned out to be a horrible compromise and bad policy. Nevertheless, it was a compromise. FMLA was a compromise. The democrats had to agree to scale it back in terms of legth of time and eligibility to get enough republicans to vote to pass the law. That was a compromose because they had to make the bill they wanted less expansive. The republicans didn’t want it at all.
The cases you cited were supported and opposed by people from both sides. They weren’t compromises.
Bullshit. Again, campaign finance reform was opposed exclusively by Republicans in the Senate and nearly exclusively by Republicans in the House.
AYE NAY Not Voting
Republican 41 176 5
Democratic 198 12 1
Indep. 1 1
TOTALS 240 189 6
The ACLU, etc, are ostensibly nonpartisan groups. In this case, they departed from the position of the great majority of Democrats.
Furthermore, there were plenty of compromises on the law. Bush initially wasn’t going to sign it without getting concessions on union money and other provisions.
Also, here’s a hint: just because an act of Congress has “Bipartisan” in the title doesn’t necessarily mean it’s truly bipartisan. Congress doesn’t have to mess around with truth in advertising. Frankly, I’m surprised it wasn’t called the “Bipartisan Good Government and Fuzzy Warm Puppies Campaign Finance Act.”
You’ve left out his success with real estate.