As are Racism on the South of United States?

[Darth_Silva]

Hey guys.

I,m braziliam black guy with 22 years old, and i love history os United States, in special the history of Civil War…

But i don’t know anyone person of the United States, so i have 3 question from yours ok?

1° - The South is the place more racists of America?

2° - Blacks fought from de Confederacy?

3° - Why the black people live today in the formers CSA states?

Sorry if my english is very poor, I are learning english ok?

[Hyperelastic]

1. That was true 50 years ago but it’s mostly a stereotype now.
2. A few black slaves fought alongside their Southern masters. Many Northern blacks and freed Southern slaves fought for the North. You may be interested to know that some American Indians owned slaves and fought for the South.
3. I guess because they grew up there and don’t want to move. It’s not unusual for black people born in the North to move to the South.

[Odesio]

@Darth_Silva

1° - The South is the place more racists of America?

That’s a complicated question. The U.S. south has historically been more overtly racist when compared to the northern part of the country. The majority of lynchings occurred in the south and racial segregation was mandated by law as well as social convention.

2° - Blacks fought from de Confederacy?

There were no blacks in the Confederate Army. There were some black guerrilla fighters that did fight against the north though. The vast majority of southern blacks supported Union troops though.

3° - Why the black people live today in the formers CSA states?

Because it’s their home. Blacks in the United States have certainly moved to other areas of the country though. In particular, when farming became more mechanized in the south many blacks had little choice but to move in order to find jobs.

Sorry if my english is very poor, I are learning english ok?

Your English is much better than my Portuguese.

[kenobi_65]

@Odesio

In particular, when farming became more mechanized in the south many blacks had little choice but to move in order to find jobs.

This Wikipedia article on The Great Migration may help explain it:

Great Migration (African American)

[Great_Antibob]

@Odesio

There were no blacks in the Confederate Army. There were some black guerrilla fighters that did fight against the north though.

That’s not strictly true. When things got desperate towards the end, slaves were allowed to enlist in the Army of Northern Virginia. As with the North, the officers were all white, of course.

I seem to recall a small company of free Blacks from Louisiana, as well. And the odd slave who took up his master’s arms when he fell.

They did not provide any significant fraction of the fighting force, in any case. But it would have been impossible for the Confederate army to operate at all without logistical support performed by slaves, who formed 1/4-1/3 of the population of the Confederacy.

[Darth_Silva]

@Odesio

3° - Why the black people live today in the formers CSA states?

Because it’s their home. Blacks in the United States have certainly moved to other areas of the country though. In particular, when farming became more mechanized in the south many blacks had little choice but to move in order to find jobs.

I say, my english is poor, i don’t ask WHY the blacks live in former CSA States, but HOW the blacks live today in the SOUTH, sorry :smack:

[robert_columbia]

I’m white and live in the US south (actually, pretty close to many areas that saw fighting in the war).

1. I think that’s more of a stereotype today. It was most likely true in the past, but it’s been a long time and I’ve heard that the KKK (a US based racist and terrorist organization/group of organizations) is most powerful in the Midwest nowadays. What is true is that the South is more socially and religiously conservative. There are racists everywhere in the US.

2. I’ve heard that at least a few did, but, on the whole, I don’t think that many did. Black people certainly fought in the US Army AGAINST the Confederacy.

3. It’s been a long time since the Civil War and the end of legal slavery in the US. Lots of black people have heritage in the South and have lived there for generations AFTER legal slavery ended. In terms of living in former CSA states, the disloyalty of the States that formed the Confederacy has long since been forgiven and they are now treated as first-class US States today, not as occupied or conquered territory. When you cross the river between Maryland and Virginia, it’s just a bridge - there is no checkpoint and no dramatic change in culture or law when you cross.

I live in an ex-CSA state now (Virginia). Nobody is afraid that Virginia is going to try to secede or rebel again - it’s practically unthinkable.

[kenobi_65]

@Darth_Silva

I say, my english is poor, i don’t ask WHY the blacks live in former CSA States, but HOW the blacks live today in the SOUTH, sorry :smack:

In large part, no differently from how non-blacks in those same areas live. Some are farmers, some live in cities. Blacks have always been overrepresented among the poor in the U.S., but that’s true in the North, as well.

[Darth_Silva]

@kenobi_65

In large part, no differently from how non-blacks in those same areas live. Some are farmers, some live in cities. Blacks have always been overrepresented among the poor in the U.S., but that’s true in the North, as well.

Ok…

So black living economic like the white people live?

[Great_Antibob]

@Darth_Silva

Ok…

So black living economic like the white people live?

No, compared to the population at large, blacks tend to be poorer.

It’s better than it used to be, but we’re not at equality yet. Some of that is probably due to racism. Other parts of it are due to the fact that, despite more social mobility than most countries, it’s hard to move into higher economic classes. Just like poor whites in the South are most likely descended from other poor whites from the South.

That said, the divide is not as great as many countries. Racism still exists in the US but it’s less than I’ve seen in many parts of Europe. And definitely less than Asia or Africa.

[kenobi_65]

@Darth_Silva

Ok…

So black living economic like the white people live?

Yes and no.

Discrimination against blacks (or any race) by employers is now illegal in the U.S., and has been for decades. And, there are many blacks who are very successful economically and socially (including, of course, the President).

However, blacks are still more likely to be poor. According to this chart, 20% of U.S. citizens in 2009 were classified as being “poor”. However, that differs by race: only 13% of whites are poor, while 35% of blacks are poor.

There are a lot of reasons why this is still the case, and I’m not an expert on the topic. Part of it may still be latent racism, but part of it probably is that many blacks are born into poor families / poor neighborhoods, and it’s much more difficult to succeed in life when you start out poor. You’re more likely to be going to a poor school (and less likely to be able to get a proper education, much less attend college), less likely to have both of your parents involved in your life, less likely to be eating properly.

[Argent_Towers]

Would the OP be able to understand these responses better if they were translated into Portuguese (with Google Translate), or would they be about equal in comprehension to how they are in English?

[Darth_Silva]

@kenobi_65

Yes and no.

Discrimination against blacks (or any race) by employers is now illegal in the U.S., and has been for decades. And, there are many blacks who are very successful economically and socially (including, of course, the President).

However, blacks are still more likely to be poor. According to this chart, 20% of U.S. citizens in 2009 were classified as being “poor”. However, that differs by race: only 13% of whites are poor, while 35% of blacks are poor.

There are a lot of reasons why this is still the case, and I’m not an expert on the topic. Part of it may still be latent racism, but part of it probably is that many blacks are born into poor families / poor neighborhoods, and it’s much more difficult to succeed in life when you start out poor. You’re more likely to be going to a poor school (and less likely to be able to get a proper education, much less attend college), less likely to have both of your parents involved in your life, less likely to be eating properly.

This problem with black born in poverty in you country (USA) is equal here in Brazil…

Exemple is me: I’m Mixed, my father is black and my mother is white, but my father is mason and my mother as lawyer, and I study Law because my mother…

My father and his brothers born in poverty, but my mother born in richness…

I’m one black in my class… and in my university had 10-15 blacks with study in university…

All my black friends was poor

But had many white in poverty in my State, Rio Grande do Sul: Rio Grande do Sul - Wikipedia

And I Live in Porto Alegre: Porto Alegre - Wikipedia

But 70% of blacks in my country was poor…

And another question: was many relations interracial in USA or not?

[Darth_Silva]

@Argent_Towers

Would the OP be able to understand these responses better if they were translated into Portuguese (with Google Translate), or would they be about equal in comprehension to how they are in English?

I’m not was used the Google Translater : P

[Bartman]

@Darth_Silva

And another question: was many relations interracial in USA or not?

There are significantly fewer interracial relationships in the US than in Brazil. But there are a lot more than there used to be. Right now in the US about 5% of married black women and 10% of married black men have a non-black spouse.

I don’t have statistics from Brazil, but in my experience there were a lot more interracial relationships. Of course my experience was 20 years ago and in Bahia not Rio Grade do Sul.

[user_hostile]

@Darth_Silva

And another question: was many relations interracial in USA or not?

Up to the 1960’s miscegenation laws were still being enforced in the south. The US Supreme Court case that overturned these laws was Loving vs. Virginia in 1967.

Oh, and welcome to this board, Darth_Silva, its the best of its kind on the internet.

[Sailboat]

@Great_Antibob

That’s not strictly true. When things got desperate towards the end, slaves were allowed to enlist in the Army of Northern Virginia. As with the North, the officers were all white, of course.

While this was authorized by the Confederate Congress (passing by a single vote only a few weeks before Lee surrendered at Appomattox) nothing significant came of it; it remained theoretical. No slaves were put into uniform or armed as a result of that bill.

To quote historian James McPherson, from an interview about his book What They Fought For, 1861-1865:

@McPherson

No black soldiers fought in the Confederate Army unless they were passing as white. Some light-skinned blacks probably did. Some Confederate soldiers, especially officers, did bring their body servants, who in many cases had grown up with them and had been very close to them, along into the Army, and on occasion some of those body servants were known to have picked up a rifle and fought. But there was no official recruitment of black soldiers in the Confederate Army until the very end of the war when out of their desperate shortage of manpower the Confederate Congress finally passed by a single vote in the Senate in March 1865, the so-called negro soldier bill which provided for the enlistment of slaves to fight for the Confederacy. But Appomattox came only a few weeks later, and none of these men were ever put in uniform to fight. So we don’t know how that would have worked.

[ratatoskK]

2. Interesting but little known fact… In the Civil War there were Confederate army bands composed of black musicians.

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[md2000]

Generally the south had more explicit racism, including laws to prevnt blacks from using white facilities - restaurants, hotels, public toilets; separate schools and universities. Even on the busses they were required to sit at the back. Most of those laws were struck down in the 1950’s and 60’s, but the attitude lingers. However, even in the north, (like here in Canada) there was polite and less obvious racism at the time.

The problem of poverty,of course, is deeply rooted in education. Some people succeed in spite of barriers, but in general - how well you do depends on how well your parents did; this is especially true when it comes to education. In a society like the USA, people succeed with better paying technical jobs through education. Even non-whites like East Indians, and Chinese, or groups from Europe like the Jews, overcome racism and succeed through a centuries-long culture of respect for learning and education - which gives their children a head start in the job market. Black people, however, were ripped from their homeland, beaten for speaking their old language or discussing their culture, and told for generations that they were nothing but labourers, and not allowed even to learn to read. It will take work and time for many of them to overcome that handicap.

[VinylTurnip]

@Darth_Silva

I’m not was used the Google Translater : P

talvez você deve aproveitá-lo, velho.