"As long as there's a single homeless child or vet in America, no refugees".

Reasons why this is a stupid argument?

My only argument is, even if we did turn away all the refugees, it’s not like our congresscritters are going to say: “Okay, since we’re not going to take the refugees, lets take all this money and solve our homeless problem.”

Any other good arguments to be made?

PS, I need to quit spending time on Facebook.

Agreed. :smiley:

If someone says this, ask them what they are doing for veterans and homeless children.

Build a wall around the homeless child, and make Syria pay for it.

Regards,
Shodan

Why the preferential treatment of veterinarians?

Make adoption of a homeless child veteran a precondition for refugee status. Problem solved!

That makes it sound as though the problem is that we don’t have enough room for all the people who are already here. If you want to play the same game, you could say that “As long as there’s a single unoccupied house in America, homelessness isn’t a problem.”

And the vet is probably suffering due to his own poor life choices, and as for the child: don’t breed 'em if you can’t feed 'em.

Because it’s stupid.

The reason we don’t have shelters for children is because conservative lawmakers cut funding for those programs.

The reason we don’t have decent care for veterans is because conservative lawmakers cut funding for those programs.

The reason we’re turning away refugees is because conservative lawmakers are refusing to let them in.

We should stop listening to conservative lawmakers.

Not all homeless veterans (or parents of homeless children) are interested in changing their situation. Granted, many (most even) are victims of circumstance, but some people are homeless more or less deliberately. They want to “stay off the grid”, they don’t want to work, they have made a conscious decision to stop taking their medications, knowing this will wind them up homeless, they have a major drug problem and no inclination to get clean - there are a million reasons.

A lot of times, there are resources available to them - but the resources come with strings they don’t want (typically sobriety, industry, and/or compliance with medication requirements). We can debate whether or not the help should come with strings - but the choice about whether to take the help and accept the strings or not is up to the individual, and some of them choose not to. Me, I’d rather submit to random drug tests or enforced compliance with medication for mental illness than be homeless, but I have to also allow that other people might feel differently about it.

It is also worth noting that there is a percentage of homeless people who are homeless in an effort to avoid the criminal justice system, and therefore actively avoid assistance programs because they (often correctly) presume that using assistance programs increases their chance of being found and caught.

Eliminating 100% of all homelessness would essentially require forcing some people into a lack of homelessness.

Also, there’s a question about what does and does not constitute homelessness. If you’re a 25 year old who wants to see the world and experience things and are therefore living in your car and working odd jobs to keep yourself funded, are you homeless? I watched this season of American Ninja Warrior and there were a fair number of the competitors who, in their fanatic pursuit of their sport, were what most people would consider homeless - including the guy who won, who lived in his van with his girlfriend and spent his time travelling to rock climbing competitions. How about a veteran who spends his entire life camping out on it in a tent because that’s what he wants to do - is he homeless? There were several guys near my hometown who did exactly this and only came to town rarely and reluctantly. They didn’t even buy the land they owned - at the time, Alaska permitted homesteading on certain parcels of land. How about someone who spends their whole life couch-surfing, relying on their personal charm to get them housed and fed - are they homeless? Or a teenager who has run away from home because her mother will not permit her to demonstrate her undying love of her favorite band by tattooing their name on her forehead and therefore is living in the park, but who knows perfectly well her mother would let her come home in a heartbeat - is she homeless?

My illustrious senator (Mark Kirk, FR[sup]1[/sup]) sent me an email with the letter he sent to Obama, wherein he said that until Obama can guarantee with certainty that each refugee is not affiliated with ISIS, he shouldn’t let any in.

The high degree of logic reminded me of the OP’s meme, which I have also seen on facebook.

[sup]1[/sup]Formerly Rational

That’s not good enough. We shouldn’t let anyone into the U.S., temporarily or permanently, from anywhere, unless Obama can guarantee with certainty that they’re not affiliated with ISIS.

In fact, let’s start kicking people out who* look* ISIS-y unless they can prove nonaffiliation.

Now, now. No need to go that far. We can just relocate them to internment camps for the duration of the conflict.

So this is what finally gets the right to care about ending homelessness?

I guess it really is possible for people to come to the right conclusion for the wrong reason.

There’s a mayor in Virginia (and a Democrat, no less) who is proposing that very thing.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/va-mayor-wwii-internment-policy-syrian-migrants-article-1.2439619

It’s about time all the money spent on FEMA camps was put to use.

(joke)

Because the one has nothing to do with the other?

Someone is a “refugee” because they are fleeing some catastrophe or oppression back where they used to live. People are typically homeless in this country often because they are some combination of mentally ill, addicted to drugs or alcohol, suffering some financial hardship and lack a support network.

In practical terms, a software engineer fleeing Syria taking a software engineering job in the USA doesn’t make a crackhead any more or less homeless.

That’s not quite true. He is just using the Japanese internment as an example of when we might “have” to do horrible things. Apparently he never got the memo about how the internment was (1) a black mark on our history, and (2) pointless.

Well put a roof and a door on it while your at it.