Can you quote the specific post where I gave the impression that was my position, please? Also can you link to where my logic was refuted and my subsequent queries addressed?
No, the first time she told the lie was when she voluntarily walked into a police station a half-hour after coating her eye with grease paint and said a 6 foot 4 negro mugged her then cut her for being a McCain supporter. That’s your first lie right there.
I think you misread what you’re quoting, because I can’t figure out how this is relevant.
Some posts back:
I snipped the part about the cops, because the cops don’t care if she’s insane or not. They only need to know if they need to arrest her.
:rolleyes: At this point, I’ll just hope that you have fun trolling the castle.
An informal poll of defense attorneys would probably reflect that a surprisingly large number of otherwise normal-seeming people are prone to isolated periods of complete craziness, during which they are unaware of their actions, and after which they make a remarkably speedy recovery. Whether one chooses to find the claims credible is, of course, a personal matter.
Because she didn’t start lying to cover up her tracks when she finally realized the police were investigating her. She started lying the moment she chose to cut herself, then ring up the cops and try to report that as a crime by a black guy.
So what we can conclude from this is that she is definitely a liar. By the very definition that she a) lied. and b) admitted to lying.
What we cannot conclude, but can only guess, is whether she’s mentally ill. Is she really? There’s no conclusive proof. To what degree would she be if she’s eventually found to be so. Again, I don’t know.
But to take the word of a liar that she’s mentally ill because, hey, why would she lie about that? seems rather perposterous. To claim that mental illness is trivial to diagnose and that, by god, if she weren’t mentally ill then we the public would have conclusive proof of this by the authorities a mere 48 hours after we’d first heard the name Ashley Todd seems somewhat high on the scale of unlikely events.
Once again, do you have any evidence whatsoever that this is happening in this case? Do you have anything at all besides ‘some people on the internet really think so’?
EE, I’d like to return to your expertise on mental illness, because you seem to have dropped that particular line. Which type of “crazy” is she having an episode of?
See, I’ve been working with crazy people for about 17 years now. I did hundreds of interviews with people with schizophrenia, and have worked with people with bipolar disorder, delusional disorder, depression, borderline personality disorder, and anxiety, among others. I remain curious which type of crazy people you are referring to.
Her story is that she woke up with the cut on her face and couldn’t remember doing it, but that it was probably her. Of course, now that she’s told one untruth, nothing she ever says again can possibly be believed, even if it’s easy to verify. I suppose you’re another one who, if she she now said ‘okay, I’m just a total liar’, would refuse to believe her because she lied before.
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What we cannot conclude, but can only guess, is whether she’s mentally ill. Is she really? There’s no conclusive proof. To what degree would she be if she’s eventually found to be so. Again, I don’t know.
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Please show me the quotes of mine which support this characterization of my opinion. I have made a great many of them on this subject today, so it should be easy for you to show me where you got that impression. I would like the chance to clarify whatever it is I said which led to it, but I can’t do that if you don’t tell me where it’s coming from. I’ve explicitly stated that it’s possible we just don’t know she lying yet and that my position will change when the cops’ claims change. I’ve said absolutely nothing about mental illness being trivial to diagnose – I’ve said it’s easy to verify whether she’s been treated for it int he past. I said nothing about thinking her claim is true because she wouldn’t lie about it, at all, and have no idea where that came from.
I am referring to the statements, quoted here and elsewhere, that she claims to have a history of mental illness. Because she and the cops have not explained further, I have no idea what kind of mental illness she’s claiming to have. Maybe you should ask them instead.
I’m referring to Ms. Todd’s claims that she has a history of mental illness. Not to repeat myself, but you seem to be misunderstanding my position. I’m not diagnosing her myself. If she hadn’t said, and the cops and press hadn’t repeated, that she had a history of mental illness, I wouldn’t be, like so many posters here, randomly inventing the idea and calling it a valid argument.
You keep saying and implying that the cops are saying she is mentally ill. That is a lie, and you know it is a lie. You admitted in GD to “stretching the facts”.
You are a shitstain on the SDMB.
Damn! Comeback of the Year!
Just to be clear, you’re the guy who says I’m being an asshole about this, right?
The cops’ claim is that she says she’s mentally ill. I’ve made that very clear repeatedly. What’s your problem with that statement?
Just because I make a factual statement about you doesn’t mean you’re not an asshole. Or a troll.
You’ve done more than quote her. You’ve also professed to a knowledge about crazy people. For example:
You said this to further your argument that this particular person may have functioned quite normally in other settings (like on her videos or for the campaign) but not when putting on eye makeup and driving the police to an ATM. So, I’d just like to examine further your knowledge of crazy people as relates to the argument you are putting forth here.
Please show me where I’ve been an asshole to anyone on this subject. Since you’re so ably demonstrating what it’s like to be an asshole for no good reason in a thread right now, I’m sure you will have no trouble finding examples. I can think of one, which was well within the bounds of normal Pit behavior: when I invited Hentor to apologize. Since that post, one of my first on the subject, unlike you and others engaging me on this subject, I’ve kept personal remarks or open vitriol out of it. So again: how am I the asshole?
She claims she does not remember doing that stuff to herself; that it was part of her episode, though she also says she’s pretty sure it was her. Since you refuse to believe anything she says, that is meaningless to you, but since I’m choosing to believe she really is mentally ill until somebody shows me one scrap of evidence to support a contrary theory, it’s crucial to me.
Please explain how your vast experience with mentally ill people has shown you that they are incapable of guile, having sane periods, or ever convincing others that they’re well.
We’re not that far off, as we share a desire to see some evidence. I will remain skeptical of her claim until I see some, whereas you are evidently willing to accept it on its face.
Do you know this girl? Why is it so crucial to you?
You continue to wash across “mental illness” as if it were some kind of uniform experience. Different types of mental illness manifest themselves very differently. What type are you talking about?
More or less, though again I’m not completely convinced either. I just think there’s more evidence for it, which is to say any at all, than for any of the other theories pushed so hard here. I’ll be the first to pit my own self for being too damn naive if it turns out she’s never been treated for or suspected of being mentally ill before now, but I do think the odds are pretty good that someone who does something this extreme, regardless of her motivations or how out of it she was, has had run-ins with the psychiatric industry before.
I don’t understand why people seem to think it’s improbable even if she did just make it up for attention – that’s not mentally healthy behavior and unlikely to spring full-formed from her skull one day with no prior warning. Plus, people who like attention get a lot of it in the mental health system.