Back when Frank Miller had started pencilling DD, Ben Urich had been putting clues together that had suggested DD and Murdock were the same guy. The clincher came when DD was getting clobbered by the Hulk, and Urich heard DD’s girlfriend cry out “Matt!” He later proved his theory by asking the hospitalized DD to identify a photograph (which, of course, he couldn’t).
Foggy, beats me.
Others have answered the last two: Foggy figured it out or was told during part of the utterly dreadful last bit of Daredevil’s previous run. Something about Foggy’s mom coming back and Daredevil running around in a horrible armored costume…it’s all too tragic to remember.
Fenris
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:rolleyes:
I hate responses like that one. I spent what, a paragraph talking about how changes improved Spider-Man, but because I don’t share your opinion of Daredevil, it’s gotta be because I don’t like something new?
Could it be that I just don’t like crap?
Fenris
How old is wolverine?
How was the recent war of the worlds crossover handled?
I strike again!
Okay, I’ve got a (few) questions:
What’s the relationship between the Black Canary from “Birds of Prey” (the comic, not the execrable TV show), and the Black Canary who used to go with Green Arrow? And why is Ollie Queen still hale and hearty, while his fellow Golden Agers Alan Scott and Jay Garrick are geezers?
And what the heck is Solomon Grundy? Zombie? Fungus-man? Slow-on-the-uptake albino?
Aslan
A) About 120 years old or so, IIRC (he was born in the 1870s(?)
B) Very, very badly. A few individual issues were good but the crossover sucked.
Minor Irritatant
In current continuity, there are two Black Canaries. The Golden Age one who hung out with Johnny Thunder/The JSA (she’s dead) and her daughter who hung out with Green Arrow and is now a member of Birds of Prey.
Green Arrow is young 'cause the one running around is a Silver-Age hero, not a Golden Age hero. (The Golden Age Green Arrow was wiped out by the Crisis). The origins are different for one, IIRC, but the easiest way to tell which Green Arrow is which is to check out Speedy’s origin: the Silver Age Speedy had Native American connections in his origin. Aquaman is another hero who’s Earth-2/Golden Age version was A) wiped out by the Crisis and B) Indistinguishable from his Silver Age counterpart except for his origin.
Solomon Grundy is all of the above. He started out as a take-off on Theodore Sturgeon’s story “IT”, he became a “Hulk” type in the '60s, in the '80s, he was a “Fungus Elemental”, in the '90s (in Starman) they implied he was all of the above: each time he “died” he got a new personality/backstory.
Fenris
Black Canary of birds of prey is the daugther of the orignial Black Canary during WW2.
She’s the one who fell on love with Green Arrow, one in the same.
OK, thanks for proving I’m not going nuts. Not for that, anyway.
Black Canary is one of the only characters I can think of whose origin was unquestionably improved by Crisis / Zero-Hour.
Last I checked,.Dark Horse now has the rights to Godzilla. So far, they have refrained from crossovers with other properties(Though, I have nightmares about an Alien/Godzilla/Predator/Robocop/Terminator series)
The Marvel Godzilla series ended shortly after Shield (mostly by way of a helping hand from the Thing) dumped the big G into a time machine, and sent him back to the age of Devil Dinosaur.
Or something like that.
Considering that Devil Dino turned out to be not from the past, but an alternate timeline (as was mentioned earlier in the thread) that means that Godzilla actually…
Well, hell. Maybe the time machine was really a dimensional shifter, and it ended up actually sending him straight to the offices of Dark Horse Comics, by way of the Negative Zone.
Whatever the case, the DH Godzilla books were generally a lot more fun than the Marvel series.
[sub]Although the first major story arc in the Marvel series, with Doctor Demonicus and his instant kaiju maker wasn’t too bad.[/sub]
If DC Comics had its own “Scourge” --who would your choices for the top 10 loser villains who get offed be? No fair taking out a whole Rogue’s Gallery for a single DC hero! Spread out the misery a bit.
My choices: Trickster, Prankster, Black Manta, Major Disaster, T.O. Morrow, Hector Hammond, Major Force, Black Hand, Ratcatcher and the extremely overrated and underutilized Deathstroke: the Terminator.
Actually, my hypothetical killer could just put Deathstroke in a coma – then wreaks havok in the DCU – and then Deathstroke wakes up after a second failed assassination attempt in the hospital and identifies the unknown killer as a crazed Mad Dog.
Been going through the 80s section of our collection, have we?
Sob! This is from memory. I’m such a geek. I’m going to bed. Damn you to hell, Skeezix!
Justice is nerds! Served! Whatever.
C’mon, Askia, y’really think I went through the 80s section of my collection in five minutes just to verify alla that?
If you’ve read past the first three or four posts in this thread, it’s a decent bet that you’re a geek. If you’ve posted to it, it’s money in the bank.
[sub]What was the big deal about Deathstroke, anyway? I wasn’t a big fan of the Titans during that period, but I remember seeing the guy’s face (well, mask) plastered all over the place.[/sub]
He was the Titans first “costumed” bad guy, and he came the closest to actually taking out the Titans by infiltrating a double agent into their midst.
Back in those days he was a pretty cool character, but I haven’t seen him written that well in years (but then again I don’t hunt after him either).
Come on, Major Disaster is a member of the JLA these days. And he has some pretty nasty powers to boot. Prankster, Black Hand, and Ratcatcher, OTOH, would not be missed.
Hmm, I haven’t made a visit to the Quad Cities in a long time. Wonder where those issues are stored.
Lok
A) I hated the idea of “Scourge”. Killing characters that others could use just because the current writer didn’t think them “cool” was one of the more retarded ideas from the '80s.
That said
B) I disagree with some of the people on your list: Trickster (Geoff Jones is doing some incredible things with him and the rest of the Rogues in Flash), Black Manta (I mean, he murdered Aquababy and has a cool costume), Hector Hammond and T.O. Morrow are cool and I have a warm spot in my heart for Black Hand even though his power really wouldn’t work any more.
C) My top 10 of badguys to snuff:
Doomsday (his power, to make Superman stupid so Doomsday seems tougher than he is, isn’t really dramatic. I coulda taken Doomsday out about 20 ways in that first battle with Superman’s powers),
Bane (Same thing: the ability to make Batman stupid so Bane looks tougher isn’t good for storytelling)
Conduit (Let’s screw with Superman’s origin for no reason!),
That chick from Green Lantern who wants to kill all Green Lanterns.
That annoying flame-guy from Green Lantern, while we’re at it.
Major Force
Major Disaster (only because it would be a mercy killing after what the current bozo writing JLA is doing with the character: he’s now become a sensitive new-age super hero :retches: )
Killer Moth (or whatever his name is now; Charxybskxis or some such). He went from a fun bad-guy to a monster. :rolleyes: We’ve NEVER had a monster in comics before! :rolleyes:
Dr Light: He used to be one of DC’s best villians (in his first appearance he beat the Justice League, except that the writer cheated), but in the '80s he became a joke. Put him out of our misery. Plus the Flame-Head look is just stupid.
D) Ratcatcher? Who’s Ratcatcher?
Fenris
Sniff no one answered my question.
But it makes sense to new audiences. They like it. You don’t because you have a preconceived notion of how DD should be. They decided to look at him from a slightly different angle. Like I said, don’t whine about it. Art is all opinion. It very much annoys me when people say "X’ is crap or “Y” sucks.
Ah, but does it survive the test of time? In the 80s, Marvel had a SLEW of alterations to their characters to the extent that many of them became unrecognizable. Off the top of my head, the Hulk went grey, Spidey had the black costume, Captain America became “the Captain,” Iron Man had that ugly silver suit, and the X-Men faked their deaths and were half-loaded with second-string nobodys, the original members posing as the mutant-hunting X-Factor.
And Marvel did it AGAIN in the mid 90s’. Spidey was cloned, Daredevil got his ass-armor, Professor X went nuts, Captain America wore a suit of armor, yadda yadda yadda. In both cases, sales were the driving factor. In neither case did it really work, particularly in the 90s, where it seemed like every comic was releasing a new controversy each month. Sales didn’t really go up, because there was no way in hell those of us with limited budgets could keep up with this crap.
Marvel and DC both took a marked turn for the better, in both sales and quality, when they entered this nostalgic wave in the mid-90s where, although matters were “updated” for modern audiences, the essence of the characters were still there. (I thought that “Heroes Return”–the POST Jim Lee/Liefeld era–was done particularly well.)
My point being that comics have been traditionally cyclical in their quality, but historically, the “classic” interpretations of characters are what the creators always return to (and the fans appreciate), while controversial stories–like the DD crap–burns out pretty quickly and tends to go unnoticed.