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Actually Nemesis Kid didn’t kill Karate Kid. Karate Kid sacrificed himself to defeat Nem’s plans for Orando. He flew into a fusion powersphere to destroy it and was killed in the process. Nem did beat him up pretty badly, but then KK gave him a major beating at the same time. The fight could have gone either way IMO.

Apparently Marvel is suing Sony over Spiderman. Drudge has some info here

I haven’t seen the movie but I wouldn’t say that Sony has been promoting Spiderman as if he/it were their property.

photopat: As I recall the story in question, KK was clearly dying. I mean Nemisis Kid had just struck him in the larnyx, and that’s usually a fatal blow. I think KK decided to protect Orlando with his (literally) dying energies rather than continue the fight.

DocCathode: If I recall correctly, Nemesis Kid got the power to beat one opponent. I don’t know if this had anything to do with skill despite the issue where KK dies. I remember Adventure 371 where Nemisis Kid beat the stuffing out of Superboy just using good old-fashioned haymakers. (Then in Adventure 372, Duo Damsel knocks the bejasus out of Nemisis Kid.)

What is the best website/online store to use if I want to buy TP’s?

First, I got the issues wrong: #227 is where Roma (Merlin’s Daughter) handed them the Seige Perlious which is a gateway to “paradise” and there’s another “heart’s desire” comment later. They don’t go through the Siege until about #251 (except Rogue, who goes through it earlier). The issues are so badly written and drawn, however, it’s hard to make out who’s doing what to who and why.

A) I just looked: you’re right, Storm didn’t (but she’d died about four issues earlier (and IIRC, her resurrection as a 10 year old was attributed to the Siege)

B) In any case, the FAQ STILL doesn’t explain how “getting your heart’s desire” and living happily ever after is reconcilled with getting turned into (in Colossus’s case) a kinda dumb Sensitive New-Aged Guy, A delusional person who with Multiple Personality disorder or a Bimbo-Ninja Vixen. (The ones who go through the Siege are, I think, Betsy, Havok, Dazzler, Colossus, and Rogue…plus I still think Storm in a retconed explaination for how she came back to life.)

C) The X-Faq is wrong about one point: maybe others are judged when they go through the Siege, but per Roma’s explaination to the X-Men in #227, they’re supposed to get an instant trip to “paradise” when they go through as a reward for their heroism when they closed the PORTAL OF BOREDOM that Forge created. (this wasn’t my favorite X-Men period. Can you tell?)

Fenris

Well, I have never read the original tryout, being about 3 at the time it was published and never having the money for the back issues. And actually the present KK has done a number on M’onel at least once I believe. But you seem to have missed my third point above. I admit it! I screwed up! You don’t have to keep beating me about the head and shoulders! :stuck_out_tongue:

Your turn. Travis Morgan has met Black Canary, Connor Hawke, Green Arrow, and several other people in the DC Universe. So even if you get rid of the Power Girl meeting, he is still around.

Lok

Nah, see, Storm vanished in a battle with Nanny and the Orphan-Maker, in the Australian Desert, and some goo youthened her, as far as we can tell.

I conceed that there’s more to ignore (that I’d forgotten) :smiley:

Rewrite that last paragrapha as "Travis Morgan has NEVER met Power Girl, Connor Hawke, or anyone else in the DC Universe. You’re imagining things. BAD things.

But nonetheless…

Nope. Didn’t happen.

Couldn’ta happened.

Sometimes there are stories (and even story arcs) of such overwhelming stupidity that en masse, comic fans just say “No. Sorry guys. Don’t buy it.”[ul]

[li]There’s the story (from roughly 1967) where it turned out that some guy named “Black Zero” blowed up Krypton on purpose. (And with a name like “Black Zero”, who can blame him.): Ignored[/li]
[li]There’s the story that came in IIRC the middle of the stunning Neal Adams Deadman run where the Forever People gave Deadman a magic robot body to possess so he’d be alive again. :Ignored[/li]
[li]Another Deadman story that’s ignored: World’s Finest 225 or so A) Bruce Wayne had a homicidal/retarded/psychotic older brother who was a murderer. B) Bats “gave” his older brother’s body to Deadman to permanatly inhabit. : Ignored big time.[/li]
[li]There’s the story that showed Superboy losing his virginity (no doubt about it: he got lucky) to a girl who a “Kryptonian Teaching Robot” hypnotized into boinking him. No-one’s sure how this slipped by DC and the Comics Code. It’s pretty damned explicit that he boinked her. : Ignored[/li]
[li]There’s a Bat-story where (I think) Martha Wayne was an undercover agent trying to expose the evils of child molestation. She uncovered something. IIRC her and Thomas’s deaths were related to this. (and, again, IIRC, there were hints that L’il Bruce was molested) : Ignored (I may be completely misremembering the details on this one)[/li]
[li]There’s the story about the midget, imp-like Woody Allan creature named Mopee (a “heavenly helpmate”) who is the one who gave Barry (Flash) Allen super-speed. The lightning and chemicals were just there for show: Ignored.[/li]
[li]There’s the story about the Thing and the Human Torch meeting the Beatles on their first U.S. tour. I remember it and have fond memories of the Thing in a Beatles wig, but I’m outvoted by…well, everyone else and it couldn’ta happened in Marvel’s 7 (or 10) year rule.[/li]
[li]There’s a New Teen Titans story where Dick Grayson A) is brainwashed by um…Brother Blood? and B) Takes off his mask while on TV. Even DC ignored this one. (Their one attempt to explain it was that no-one in the entire DC Universe would conclude that ‘just because Dick was Robin, Bruce was Batman’. :rolleyes: )[/li]
[li]There’s the story (circa 1972) where Lois decides to test Superman to see if he’s racist, so she steps into a Funkifier Machine and becomes Lois Lane: Black Chick! Under a fake name,she tries to get Supes’ attention (notice that he’s in an impossible position: if he falls for her, he’s shallow 'cause he’s cheating on “Lois”. If he doesn’t, he’s a racist). Anyway, it all works out, but nonetheless: Ignored.[/li]
[li]There’s a gibberish Supergirl story that happened just after Crisis came out (but before DC rebooted Superman) where Supergirl had been married to some alien doofus. : Ignored.[/li]
[li]There’s the Superboy story where it turns out that Jor-El and Laura are alive, in perpetual torment suffering from incurable Kryptonite poisoning. They’re in constant agony, but kept alive and in sort-of suspended animation. And Superboy doesn’t particularly mind. : Ignored[/li]
[li]There’s the really, REALLY idiotic “Bats is an urban legend” thing that every non-Bat DC book ignored 'cause it was so stoopid. A) If he’s trying to strike fear into criminal’s hearts, it’s hard to do if he’s just considered a myth. B) He was on world-wide TV beating the snot out of the Joker in the dreadful “Death In The Family” storyline. C) He’s been on TV as part of the JLA. D) Robin is regularly seen in Young Justice or Teen Titans (depending on which Robin). If Robin exists, then so does Batman. EVERYONE, fans and writers alike (except those under Denny O’Neil) ignored this one while it was happening. [/li]
[li]And there’s the bit where, after 100+ issues of a great book, some nitwit decides to drag it into the DC universe, totally ruining the magic of the book and turning it into a fairly feeble Savage Land clone. I can’t change the fact that there’s a guy named Travis Morgan traipsing around the DC Universe, but he’s not the REAL Warlord. [/ul][/li]
So there! :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Fenris, holding on to his illusions.

I agree with you that the Siege was immensely stupid but its changes to Colossus do make a little more sense than you imply.

The Havok thing was random, stupid, and ruined a pretty good character for a pretty long time (I quite enjoyed his resurgence in the 2nd incarnation of X-Force that started after X-F 75. Actually the 25 issues from 75 to 100 were superb all round imo).

The Psylocke thing was covered above, and not only didn’t make sense in the context of the Siege, didn’t make sense, period. With all the mysterious allusions to it in the first couple dozen issues of the new X-Men, I was relieved when they finally wrapped it up in such a short storyline. Seemed to me like someone behind the scenes finally put their foot down and said ‘enough of this crap, get it over with already.’ And the storyline with Cyclops was dumb.

Dazzler… I don’t really remember what happened to her. Didn’t she just kind of go away? How did this period work with the whole Longshot thing? I’m not surprised I don’t remember her role in the storyline; I never cared about her anyway. Did anyone?

The Colossus story arc in the Siege, though, was pretty well-constructed. He turned into a slightly dumb very sensitive New-Agey artist because that’s exactly who he would have been if he had never been in the X-Men (assuming he had some other reason to leave the USSR, which he almost certainly wouldn’t have, but that’s a minor hole). He is very sensitive (remember how he went nuts when Ilyana was killed (speaking of continuity holes… this character was a walking one. Anybody care to take a stab at outlining her timeline?) and then when everything came out about Mikhail and the Morlocks and all that… he was never very good at dealing with stress, although to be fair the writers had him pencilled in for a lot of it). He is (or wanted to be) an artist. He always was the type of guy who… well, dumb isn’t exactly the word, but he followed his heart more than his head. I’ll admit that they added a little bit too much cluelessness to his Siege-era character, but I liked the concept.
I’ll certainly be the first to agree with you that those were the dark days of UXM, though. The only positive thing that came out of it, actually, was the dramatic possibilities for the Excalibur characters, which Alan Davis put to good use. Can you tell yet that I loved that book?

White Lighning: I thought the Dazzler character had mucho potential when introduced in the X-Men during the Dark Phoenix saga. She acted like a semi-literate disco singer, but her thought balloons indicated an intelligent, educated person.

However, whoever wrote her book igorned that premise by making her a cheap bimbo who was so powerful she could deal with Galactus after a dozen issues. Other than some cheesecake shots, there was never any good reason to read her book.

She rode around on roller skates.

I still stand by my original conclusion.

Sorry Fenris, just because you don’t like it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. :wink: Although I agree with most of that list. BTW, where did that Superboy story appear? This is the first time I have heard of it.

Lok

It does so. I am the arbiter of all that is good and true in comics. :wink: :smiley:

Anyway, which Superboy story? The one with his parents was Superboy 158, but more likely, you sex-fiend, the one you wanna know about is where he gets boinked. (D.C. Super-Stars #12 ). I just dug it out: “Misty” figures out Clark’s identity (because the teaching robot hypnotized her to have a 220 IQ) and this turned Clark on. They embrace and passionately kiss. Next panel? Ma Kent saying “Clark’s bed is still made. I wish he wouldn’t go out on these all-night patrols!” and Pa Kent saying “A Superboy’s work is never done, Martha! I’m sure he has more than enough to keep his hands full!” (bolding theirs. I don’t know why)

“bed still made”. “hands full”. “all-night patrols” :: snerk :: :stuck_out_tongue: I saw an interview with Cary Bates that showed an excised panel that comes after the clench but before the Ma and Pa Kent bit: it showed Clark, red sweater draped over his shoulder, tie loosened or off, walking home at sunrise, with a goofy grin on his face. That particular panel was cut, but somehow everyone missed the “all-night patrol” “bed unmade” bit. Bates says he didn’t think it’d EVER get by the Comics Code (especially as < cough > intense as they were back then.)

I have a pretty strong fondness for this issue. It’s one of the first books I ever anticipated: up 'till that point, I bought books off the stand (in a 7-11) if and when I went. However when I saw the house-ad for this one, I was at the 7-11 every day for about 3 weeks asking about it. The 7-11 guy got REAL sick of me.

Fenris

IIRC, she ended up as a bimbo rock-star with no memory of being a mutant. But I could be completely wrong on this one.

And Peyote: My take on the Disco Dazzler is different:

I thought her costume was dreadful (the makeup, the mirrored(?) platform shoes, the disco ball necklace), the name was atrocious (“The Disco Dazzler” ? That’s as dated as “Rubic’s-Cube Man”), IIRC, she was crammed into the story by Jim Shooter who wanted to cash in on the Disco craze (about 6 months too late, as is always the case with “let’s hop on the bandwagon” type characters), and I hated her schizo internat/external dialogue: she thought in typically Claremont expository verbal diaharrea (“Who would think that I, Allison Whatsis…Blake? Blair? The Disco Dazzler, would be fighting alongside the sometimes feared band of rogues known only as THE X-MEN. And whither my fate, now that I be inextricably linked to them by ties of blood and tears? Who would have thought that lo these years gone by when I rejected my father’s desire that I become a lawyer to to follow my muse in these, the performing arts, that cruel, dark fate would thus drag me into these dire straits? E’en if I survive, I will be conflicted in the depths of my very soul.”) while her external dialogue sounded like Lady-Shaft or Superfly-girl “Woah! We be down wi’d dat bad fo-onky sheeet! Jiminy Christmas you bad mamma-jamma!” Obviously YMMV. Um…or actually, OMDV (Our Mileage Does Vary! :wink: )

Fenris

[li] Spider-Man Chapter One[/li]
[*] Hulk Chapter One

I knew you were gonna say that! :smiley:

And if we’re adding to my list of “Nope. Didn’t happen” stories, let’s add a few more:[ul]
[li]Alan Moore had Etrigan start talking in Sonnets in Swamp Thing #25 or so (circa 1983). This was seen as so cool that it revived the character (who’d been in limbo for 10 years or so, barring the occasional one-shot). Other demons started rhyming. Whole heirarchies of demons who talked in various rhyme schemes (limericks, dactyls, etc) were created. A highly successful DEMON comic spun out of the revamp (lasting something like 9 times longer than Kirby’s original version). Byrne, in one issue of Wonder Woman said “Oops. The Demon only talks that way/ because of a spell of Morgan LeFay’s” :wink: “Oh, and all that stuff in the 60-some issue book? Didn’t happen.” and had Etrigan just start chatting in prose. EVERY writer since then has just ignored the Byrne story.[/li]
[li]The aforementioned SPIDER-MAN CHAPTER ONE was ignored while it was still being published! Byrne had Spidey’s origin changed so that instead of an unobtrusive bite from a radioactive spider, Peter Parker was caught in the middle of a nuclear explosion (in downtown Manhatten :rolleyes: ) oh…and a spider bit him. In the middle of that run, another writer retold Spidey’s origin and ignored the fresh-off the presses Byrne revision.[/li]
[li]One issue of Wonder Woman (#105) changed her origin so that she had a mommy and a daddy. When the bad guys killed daddy and all the other Amazon Men(?!), all the women left to go to Paradise Island. This was forgotten as quickly as the Mopee thing in Flash.[/li]
[li] Superman’s powers are all psychic. This was a “Stupid Fan Theory” that had been used for late-night bullshit sessions or fodder for fanzines as a joke. Byrne took it seriously and tried it first on Gladiator in Fantastic Four and then, when allowed to reboot Superman, actually used it…as most fans wailed “We were joking you asshole!”. Anyway, the “the powers are all psychic” crap hasn’t been mentioned in at least 10 years.[/li]
In a similar vein, there were more “Stupid Fan Theories” in Legion:

[li]Stupid Fan Theory #1: Element Lad was gay because a) he never had a regular girlfriend b) he had a Mike Brady perm and c) his costume was pink. QED. (Hey, it was the '70s. We weren’t very enlightened yet). Anyway, Paul Levitz (one of the two Gawds of Legion writers) gave Element Lad a girlfriend (Shavun Erin (sp) ). This pissed off a very few brain-dead fans who, the minute they got their hands on the book, said “Oops! Strong, independant woman? Not so much. She’s really an insecure, whiney transsexual guy.” (who was taking a drug called “Profem” god help us… :rolleyes: ). [/li]
[li]Another “Stupid fan theory”, Lightning Lad died in a very early issue of Legion (Adventure 303?). About 10 issues later (#312?) the Legion figured out a way to bring him back to life at the cost of one of their own. Proty, a non-sentient protoplasmic blob (and Chameleon Boy’s pet) sacrificed his life to bring Lightning Lad back to life. Flash forward about 30 years. Stupid Fan Theory said “Hey, wouldn’t it be cool if Lightning Lad had been dead all along, but Proty’s brain was transferred to Lightning Lad’s body?” Most people thought it was idiotic (but fun to talk about), in large part because…well…among everything else (Proty wasn’t sentient at the time, how could he fool Lightning Lad’s sister, it’s just a dumb idea), Lightning Lad’s sweetie (and eventual wife) was Saturn Girl: the greatest telepath in the 30th century and a cold, hard realist not given to self-delusion. How could she be fooled. In any case, the same idiot fan writers went ahead with the story.[/li]
The book only lasted another year or so before being cancelled and rebooted, but while it lasted, everyone tried their best to just ignore that crap.

[li]The aforementioned HULK Chapter One, wherein Betty Ross is a rocket scientist, and everyone else is Skrulls. [/li]
[li]Colossal Boy is Jewish for one issue! Hated by fans! Never mentioned again![/li]
[li]The Thing is Jewish for one issue despite going to Confession several times and celebrating who-knows-how many Christmases! I’m willing to bet money it’s never mentioned again (past the current team).[/li]
[li]Any story by Bill Mantlo featuring the X-Men. Ignored (One story screwed up continuity so badly that to work, you have to assume A) Jean becomes Phoenix in X-Men 101 and ends up in the hospital. B) In the Bill Mantlo story, she’s instantly all better and they fly to um…New Mexico for a slug-fest. C) This makes her sick again so she’s back in the hospital bed in X-Men 102. Uh-huh. Another of 'em has Kitty mowing down Dire Wraiths like the Punisher. Claremont made a special point of ignoring those issues when in X-Men 15x, Kitty snuffs a Brood member and says she’s never killed anything before.[/li]
[li]This is one I loved, but it’s been ignored because of the great Halactus thing. In the Denny O’Neil/Neal Adams GL/GAs, strong, confident Hal became a snivelling wimp so that O’Neil could have a strawman to rail against. Hal actually burst into tears whenever a stupid liberal bumper-sticker slogan was spouted by someone. :rolleyes: Just before the stupid Halactus crap, Gerard Jones wrote a several part story where it was explained that in the issues just before the O’Neil/Adams GL/GAs, Hal had been helping a powerful psychic named “Olivia Reynolds”. She (unitentionally) zapped him with her “UR-Mind” several times. Per Jones, Hal’s incomprehensible behavior in those issues was due to brain-damage. I think it’s perfect…but I’m outvoted.[/li]
[li]Not exactly the same thing, as it’s not being ignored…yet, but if you look on the Usenet around the time of “Final Night” you’ll see a funny thread on rec.arts.comics.dc-universe where some wag jokingly suggests that Halactus become the new Spectre: (paraphrased) “Hey, Halactus is pissed, tries to ignore God’s will (in Zero Hour) and already has the nifty green motif: Let’s make HIM the new Spectre!” and everyone howled with laughter. Um except DC. Who did it.[/li][/ul]

Fenris

Cosmic Boy jewish? That’s odd. Maybe it was a bad reference to Colossal Boy?

? I wrote Colossal Boy…who became Jewish in one issue of DC Special Series (IIRC, it was this issue.) and it was never mentioned again.

I don’t know where you got Cosmic Boy from. (Or am I misreading you? :confused: )

Um…THIS issue.