Magneto was briefly de-aged into a toddler many, many years ago (I can’t recall the issue), and then later re-aged. I think most people presume that Magneto wasn’t brought back to his original age, but retained some amount of youth to account for the growing leap in Marvel time.
They find their ways. The Sub-Mariner hasn’t aged since the 30s, man.
Fenris:
Yes, it was definitely mentioned again. One example: At the end of the back-up story in LSH # 308, the story in which Colossal Boy introduces Yera to his parents, Colossal Boy’s mother wonders aloud if she can convince them to raise the child Jewish.
BTW, while I agree with you about the “Element Lad is gay and Shvaughn is really a man” idiocy, I have to disagree on the Lightning Lad-as-Proty matter. I thought that the retcon actually made some sense, as an earlier story had used the Eltro Gand - into- Mon-El’s body as a plot point, and this would be somewhat consistent, and I don’t find it too hard to believe that a telepath such as Imra is above some form of denial. As for Proty not having been sentient at the time…prove it. Proty was certainly aware enough to sense that Saturn Girl wanted to sacrifice herself for Lightning Lad and plot to prevent her from doing so.
But the Element Lad thing…boy, that was dumb fanboy stuff.
Chaim Mattis Keller
Fenris- I conceded the point. It’s just a Jewish Thing would make me very happy
I’ve got it!
All the confessions, Christmases, etc weren’t actually the Thing. They were a misprogramed SHIELD Life Model Decoy! The revelation that Ben is Jewish leads to this being discovered. Questions are asked. Ben’s career as a secret agent is exposed.
And that the real Thing was a skrull.
And everybody from after 1973 was a clone.
And every issue after #5 was just an imaginary story set on a alternative parralel elseworld time diervegence version C prime of Earth.
Toddlerized in Defenders #16, Un-toddlerized around X-Men 104 by Erik the Red (and IIRC, it explictly said that he was un-toddlerized at the peak of his powers.
Fenris
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Then I conceed! 
But I gotta say that it was very rarely mentioned again and it was never a main focus. We saw more about Klordny(sp?) fests than Colossal Boy’s Judiasm.
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I disagree: “a telepath such as Imra”, sure. Imra? No. I can buy Jean Grey, Looker (gad!), or most other telepaths indulging in self-delusion. Imra? No. My take on her personality is that she’s a firm realist. She’s one of the strongest characters out there. Remeber Levitz’s take on her in JLA 147-8? That’s always been what I’ve though of her as.
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A challenge from Chaim!!! I’m gonna lose, but I gotta try! Here goes:
(I’m doing this WITHOUT referring to the Legion Help File, 'cause it would be cheating, BTW 
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A dog might be that aware too. I’m using “sentient” in the comic book sense of “intelligent”, not in the real-world sense of “self-aware”. By the real-world definition, a dog is certainly sentient and a cow probably is.
Chameleon Boy kept him as a pet and referred to Proty as such. One doesn’t keep sentient beings as pets (especially not Legion members). It isn’t nice.
There was a retcon (pre-Crisis) about how NONE of the Proteans were sentient…except either five or seven of them. The Proteans, fearing that someone (Mordru? Glorith? The Time Trapper? ) would control them and have an army of shape-shifters, stored their their entire race’s intelligence in five (?) of their members. The Earth-1 Kid Quantum was one of them, I don’t believe Proty I was. I know that Proty II was. And since they needed all five (?) (seven?) intelligence holders to restore their race (remember when they had to go look for Kid Quantum, Earth-1 so that they’d have all the members they need? ), if Proty I had been one of the intelligence holders, his “portion” would have been lost with his death.
Fenris
Ditto. And it’s just possible they could have done it: Ben, while suffering from a spiritual crisis, discovers his maternal grandma was Jewish and decides to convert from Catholicism to Judiasm. You’d still get a Jewish Thing as an outcome without the huge continuity holes the Waid version generated.
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Heh.
Although this does lead to a good question. There was a fantastic mini-series about a decade ago called “Nick Fury VS S.H.I.E.L.D.” where it turned out that some renegade LMDs had run amok. It was the best SHIELD story since Steranko left, and frankly better than lots of Steranko’s stuff.
Now it appears to never have happened? How’d they undo it? What happened?
Fenris
AFAIK spidey can hit an average speed of 30 mph, due to the fact that he can easilly catch up to normal humans sprinting away on foot and cars when they first peel off but in prolonged pursuit of a moving car often has tag it with a tracer and catch up to it later, snag it with a webline and get pulled along, or hop from moving car to car to be able to keep up. Being up high lets him see what the traffic and/or terrain is like far ahead and plan his actions accordingly.
Fenris:
Aha, you’ve strayed right into my territory! I’ve got you now (evil laugh).
Proty I was MOST DEFINITELY one of the few sentient Proteans. That was the WHOLE POINT of the scene in LSH Annual # 3, which contained the Garth-Proty revealation. The other sentient Proteans were approaching Garth/Proty as one of their own in order to have him help track down Kid Quantum. However, the seven sentient Proteans didn’t hold the racial intelligence - Kid Quantum held that. They were just “sleeper” agents for eventually retrieving him. Proty I’s intelligence wasn’t lost to the Protean race, he just didn’t want to help find Kid Quantum because he’d have to reveal himself and blow his big secret.
Because that was, in my evaluation, the genius of that story. In retcon, you had a sentient, intelligent Proty I hiding his intelligence (so as to not let on to Glorith that any intelligent Proteans still exist), thus allowing Chameleon Boy to treat him as a pet. However, he’s intelligent and telepathic and in love with Saturn Girl…but knows she only wishes to have had Lightning Lad back. Proty, out of love, intends to sacrifice himself to give her what she wants…but finds his mind in Lightning Lad’s body. Suddenly, he has what he always wished for…as long as he doesn’t reveal himself to be a blobbish creature she always thought of as a mere pet. Saturn Girl, on her part, wants to believe that Garth is back…and heck, he even seems a bit more mature, which is just as she would have liked…deep down, on some level, she might suspect that he’s Proty, but she buries this suspicion, convinces herself it ain’t so, so as not to ruin the perfect illusion by her own revolted - and logically unjustified - reaction.
And what’s so terrible about all that? In the end, she’s in love with the “Garth” she has…Proty/Garth ends up rewarded for his life-saving heroism and is in love with her…
Well, I thought it makes for a very touching story. Flawed personalities, but no less good, no less loving, no less heroic.
Long live the Legion! (and to Colossal Boy - Chag Sameach!)
Chaim Mattis Keller
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To the rest of you out there who admire my trivia knowledge: know that I bow to Chaim, regarding Legion stuff!
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THAT’s where I was confused: I thought they’d divided their intelligence up into seven bits and all seven bits had to be put back together to awaken the rest of the Proteans.
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This part was fine and touching.
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Here’s where our mileage varies. I don’t see Imra (in particular…other characters, sure) as being willing or able to live a lie (or worse…let someone else live a lie.) How could she stand it? I don’t see how she could bury it. And as powerful as her telepathy is, I don’t think it’d be just a suspicion. She’d have to know.
Imra isn’t given to self-delusion, IMO, and besides: given the constant nagging guilt that Proty must be feeling at living a lie (“Have I tricked her into marrying me under false pretenses?”-type stuff) I can’t imagine how Imra could possibly ignore it.
If, in that Annual, she and Proty made it clear that they’d both always known (or figured out the truth early on), and not said anything for fear of upsetting the others, I’d be fine with that. I just don’t see how D.C’s most powerful and coldly logical telepath could miss it.
On the other hand, one thing the Bierbaums did that I loved was the Glorith/Ultra Boy annual. That fixed so much stuff from the “Brainy’s insane” crap onward. Wonderful, WONDERFUL stuff.
BTW: I’m interested in your opinion: “The Hat Trick”* Good idea or bad? I admit to being kinda intrigued to have a “let the pieces fall where they may” battle.
Fenris
*“The Hat Trick”: Giffen, et al had a bunch of Legion clones running around. There was also the ‘real’ Legion. That meant that there were something like 50 team members. The bad-guys who created the clones were going to activate some sort of programming and cause the clones to attack the real Legion. Giffen proposed that the way to determine who lived and who died was to put everyone’s name in a hat and draw half of them. The rest died (or lived). Thus, you could end up with a legion with two Matter-Eater Lads, but no Saturn Girls. DC promptly fired him.
And what’s so terrible about all that? In the end, she’s in love with the “Garth” she has…Proty/Garth ends up rewarded for his life-saving heroism and is in love with her…
Well, I thought it makes for a very touching story. Flawed personalities, but no less good, no less loving, no less heroic.
Long live the Legion! (and to Colossal Boy - Chag Sameach!)
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OK, so…here’s a challenge for you.
Where, online, can I find a decent history of the following characters, including specific issue summaries?
-Captain Britain
-The Living Mummy
-Korvac
-Moon Knight
-The Gargoyle
-The Micronauts, including Prince Wayfinder
-The original Captain Mar-vell
-The Jessica Drew Spider-Woman
It’s for research. Trust me, they’re all interconnected.
And the Captain Britain one has to include his original incarnation as a skinny kid in that goofy outfit, with the scepter.
Question: Regarding Wonder Man. Why was this character so maligned over the years? I liked him. I loved his solo series, but I guess nobody ever bought it? I heard that they brought him back from space exile to join the Avengers but soon after that he got ionized or something. What happened to him? And why did they off him?
Thanks much.
A few years later, when the Avengers came back from heroes reborn, the wich/queen Morgan Le Fey warped reality so all the avengers were living in medieval times andd therefore had medieval style costumes, weapons, and names.
Le Fey beat all of the medieval avengers soundly. Scarlet Witch was locked away in a dungeon, when she “feels” Simon. Willing her powers, using a titantic amount of her power, she willed Simon back into existence. Due to his body being destroyed in a kree attack against the avengers west coast, all that was left of him was ionic energy.
Last I heard of him, he’s still in his energy form and he’s just as strong as ever. Maybe some of the other guys can fill you in withy what happend afterwards.
You might try The Marvel Directory which is basically an online version of The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. Not a lot of issue numbers, but good histories.
BTW, you GOTTA check out the Hulk international trailer! If you were hesitant of the Hulk movie before, this may change your mind. Geez, it looks great (except for maybe Milo the Hulk dog.)
Fenris:
It’s an intriguing thought, but I’ve never seen a slaughter-fest done well. I can’t say I’m upset that it got nipped in the bud. I’m glad that Mark Waid got to resolve the “Batch SW6” story the way he did. That was better than any “clone” thing could have been.
Chaim Mattis Keller
Just as an aside out there, John Byrne has taken over the newspaper comic strip “Funky Winkerbean” for a couple of months. Apparenty Byrne and Batiuk are pals and Batiuk was getting close to being current (apparently he likes to have a several month cushion.
Anyway, Byrne is actually doing a decent job. In large part because he’s doing what he does well: moving forward with a character; he’s not trying to propose some grand theory showing why it wasn’t really Crankshaft driving that bus or why whatshisname didn’t really have a machine-gun when he was hall monitor.
Anyway, here’s a link to Byrne’s first strip. This site contains all Byrne’s strips but has no navigation, you have to edit the URL by hand.
Like I said, it’s surprisingly good!
Fenris
Fenris, my understanding has been that Batiuk is still doing the writing, and that John Byrne is just doing the art for him.
This link gives the full story.
Chaim Mattis Keller
Jessica Drew: First Appearance: Marve Spotlight #32
While she was decieved on her early origins by Hydra, Jessica Drew was suffering from radiation poisoning because of the uranium deposits beneath Wundagore Mountain where her father Jonathan was a scientist.
Against the wishes of her mother Miriam, Jessica was given an experimental spider serum and was placed in an incubator by Jonathan and his assistant(who later became the High Evolutionary).
Jessica spent many years in the incubator(at times called an accelerator IIRC). While she adapted to the radiation and healed, she aged at a slowed rate. While she should have been in her late 40s(approx) she was physically in her early 20s when the High Evolutionary brought her out of stasis.
After a period of time, she rejoined society, though most peple were put off by a vibe Jessica put out by being part spider. While she had limited understanding of her powers, she could cling to walls, had accelerated speed and reflexes, had incredible strength, a resistance/immunity to poisons and radiation, and generated a bio-electric blast(called a venom blast) which was electrical and poisonous in nature.
Some locals in the village decided to play a prank on Jessica and her lover one day. When startled, Jessica let loose a venom blast which killed her fiancee. The trauma of the event made Jessica catatoni and she was taken in by Hydra.
Code named Arachne, Hydra took advantage of her amnesiac state and told her that she was a female spider that was made into a woman, rather than the other way around. They trained her, outfitted her with a costume which allowed her to glide, and set her up with lover so they could easily control and manipulate her.
Jessica’s first assignment as Arachne was to kill Nick Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Jessica Drew: First Appearance: Marve Spotlight #32
While she was decieved on her early origins by Hydra, Jessica Drew was suffering from radiation poisoning because of the uranium deposits beneath Wundagore Mountain where her father Jonathan was a scientist.
Against the wishes of her mother Miriam, Jessica was given an experimental spider serum and was placed in an incubator by Jonathan and his assistant(who later became the High Evolutionary).
Jessica spent many years in the incubator(at times called an accelerator IIRC). While she adapted to the radiation and healed, she aged at a slowed rate. While she should have been in her late 40s(approx) she was physically in her early 20s when the High Evolutionary brought her out of stasis.
After a period of time, she rejoined society, though most peple were put off by a vibe Jessica put out by being part spider. While she had limited understanding of her powers, she could cling to walls, had accelerated speed and reflexes, had incredible strength, a resistance/immunity to poisons and radiation, and generated a bio-electric blast(called a venom blast) which was electrical and poisonous in nature.
Some locals in the village decided to play a prank on Jessica and her lover one day. When startled, Jessica let loose a venom blast which killed her fiancee. The trauma of the event made Jessica catatoni and she was taken in by Hydra.
Code named Arachne, Hydra took advantage of her amnesiac state and told her that she was a female spider that was made into a woman, rather than the other way around. They trained her, outfitted her with a costume which allowed her to glide, and set her up with lover so they could easily control and manipulate her.
Jessica’s first assignment as Arachne was to kill Nick Fury of S.H.I.E.L.D. her lover Jared(also a Hydra agent) was part of the plan. In the process of Arachne trying to capture Fury, she hit Jared with a full venom blast. Jared, in his dying breaths(expositon), told her that she was lied to by Hydra and was used.
Jessica abandoned her assignment and went to get answers from the Hydra chief who oversaw her training. In the process, Jessica made his plane crash into a cliff and then went off to find her origins.
Then, over three issues of Marvel Two-In-One, Jessica found out her true origins, realized she was an augmented woman, and then went off to start her life.
This leads into issue one of Spider Woman where we are introduced to Jerry Hunt, agent of Shield and Magnus, who will be her mentor for the first year.
Jessica took drugs for awhile(prescribed) which removed the vibe about her which creeped people out, but then had to stop taking them when she realized that her immunity to toxins was requiring her to take larger and larger doses, which was also damping down her powers.
Later, Jessica sacrificed her immunity to toxins for Bill Foster(the former Giant Man) who was suffering from an exotic radiation poisoning.
At the end of her fifty issue run, Jessica had died to save the world from Morgaine La Fay.
Then came Avengers 240 and 241 where we find that Jessica isn’ dead but in a deathlike coma. La Fay was using Jessica’s bio-electrically enhanced body to keep her soul from reentering, requiring Dr. Strange(Deus Ex Machina Supreme) and the Avengers to save her.
The result was that she no longer had her bio-electric powers.
The other powers status was not disclosed.
Later in Wolverine, she had her strength and wall crawling back.
Then she was screwed with by Byrne in his atrocious version of Spider Woman.
Anyone want to follow after me and fill in the rest of the data?