Asking for cash for honeymoon instead of Wedding presents - tacky?

It does seem maybe a little tacky. But some of the run around required in modern etiquette seems silly to me. Everyone knows that if you go to a wedding, you should give a present to the couple. But the the couple isn’t supposed to put the registry in the invitation. So each guest has to ask the bridesmaid or the family where the couple is registered, or just go to Target or some other big store and hope the couple is registered there. It seems like it would be easier on everyone to just have the registry information in the invitation, even if it is slightly tacky.

And this is a couple where neither partner has ever been married before, and has been living together for a while. I don’t know how useful it would be to get them any of the standard wedding stuff, since I would think their house would already be fairly well stocked. If I was invited, I know I could get them something nice, like some nice silver picture frames or something, but that they’d probably be returned for money, like wedding presents often are. It just seems more efficient to just directly give them money.

I don’t see what the costs of attending the wedding have to do with the costs of a present. If the couple followed proper etiquette and didn’t mention anything about gifts in the invitation, then the guests would still have to pay for transport, hotel, etc. I don’t really see the difference between going to a wedding and giving a coffee maker that cost $X, or instead contributing $X to the couple’s honeymoon fund.

As a disclaimer- I am a woman who’s never been married. If I ever do get married, I’ve thought about how I might do one of those charity registration things, so people donate to charity instead of giving me kitchen things I don’t need. But of course, I wouldn’t mention it in the invitation, since that’s tacky.

Would you go to a wedding and not give any kind of gift at all?

I’m afraid I’m having trouble parsing this. You seem to be claiming that a honeymoon isn’t a vacation, but, at least in my view, it clearly is. It’s not really a honeymoon if you don’t go anywhere. And then you say that a honeymoon isn’t something fun for the couple to do together, but again, at least in my view, it clearly is. So, on the whole, I’m not sure of the distinctions you’re trying to make.

As for my take on the gift situation, I always prefer to give the couple something that they actually want. Anything else, however, well-meaning, is a waste. So, tacky or not, I appreciate the couple providing me with that knowledge. And given that my favorite gift, by far, is money*, I have no problem providing that to others.

*Not strictly true, now that I think about it, but finding the “perfect gift” for me is quite rare. I think it’s happened to me twice in the past fifteen years. If you do manage to find the “perfect gift,” I will treasure it always, but all the same, such a gift is never going to be one of the household appliances or general furnishings that one commonly receives at weddings.

Me too. Except my favorite gift is a toaster. If you’ve already got a toaster, then I’m happy to give you cash or gift certs if that’s what you want.

I don’t care if the info comes in the invitation. Whatevs.

See, this kind of etiquette fail is why I’ve planned all the details of my wedding out ahead of time.

When I get married, I’m gonna ask all my guests to bring at least $200 in cash. During the reception, I’ll tell them to stack it into a huge pile next to the guest book. Instead of toasts, the pre-wedding oratorio will consist of a miked-up DJ loudly counting the money. He will be instructed to announce the total in units of “Benjamins.”

After the honeymoon, I plan to photocopy and send out form thank-you letters on which the only written words will be “Golly Gee Gosh, thanks for the dosh!” The remaining white space will be filled by a crude drawing of a goateed brontasaurus smoking a blunt, which I have already prepared. The brontasauruses name is Teddy B.

Well, that would certainly be memorable. :slight_smile:

From where I’m standing anything BUT cash is presumptuous and selfish.
Unless you are buying something of a registry or you know the couple exceptionally well, cash is the single most usefull gift I’ve ever been given. Fuck gift certificates, stupid gifts I don’t need and didn’t ask for. The idea of a gift is to make the recipient happy, not to make the giver look good.

There should be a special hell for givers of gift certificates. You do know you are literally letting the shops print their own money? And that I can’t spend your money with their competitors? (Never mind hookers and blow) Why do you want to control where I spend your money? I thought it was a gift? Some cash to blow on a fancy lunch on your honeymoon sounds like an excellent gift.

Weddings are notoriously expensive, most young couples appreciate (and can really use) cash.

“Special” and “thoughtfull” gifts are more appreciated in less crowded settings. I’m sure nobody can ever have enough picture frames, but unless you also provide the transport to schlep all the crap back to their house I think most folks prefer cash.

If envelopes of cash are tacky you didn’t put enough in it.

I think it is tacky and where I live people have a money box for special occasions. But they don’t ask for money in the invitation.

Not at all. It’s tacky, greedy and crass. It’s low class. It smacks of viewing one’s guests as ATMs.

I agree with Miss Manners: “People who want to charge admission to their weddings, rather than simply share the occasion with those about whom they care, should sell tickets.”

Years after my wedding, I have many gifts that still mean a lot to me because they remind me of the givers who wished us well. And while many guests gave us cash, I don’t remember who they were.

Something like this would make me want to give them a set of towels.


Wedding Advice

*Dear Miss Manners,
I was recently invited to a “greenback” wedding shower. Does this mean I must bring a money gift? *

Gentle Reader:
That is certainly what these greedy people plan to extract from you. Miss Manners hopes you did not miss that because the invitation was too subtle.

Dear Ms. Web: Shower Money

*Dear Mrs. Web,

My sister and her fiancé of 2 years are getting married next year. They live together and have everything they need, so the traditional bridal shower isn’t appropriate to give to them.

We are planning a big party next spring for friends and family. We really would like to help them out with the cost of the wedding by letting the guests know that this is a greenback type of shower. How do I do this? Is this acceptable? Anguished Relative.*

Raising money for the wedding? Well, you could sell tickets. Sell advertising on each table. Charge for parking. Rent T-shirt space on the bride.

One does not officially ask for a specific gift or any gift when inviting someone to an event. If a guest calls and asks for ideas, you could suggest, “Penelope and Albert have no household needs so I am going to write a check”. Anything beyond this is not acceptable. Your guests are not Santas.

The last thing in the world you should be concerned about is how the wedding is paid. That is the concern of the people who are throwing the event. People have the weddings they can afford. If they are spending beyond their means, it is their choice. Stop anguishing immediately!

Miss Manners: Marrying for Money

Which do you suppose is the social form that people are most anxious about wording correctly?

Well, yes, wedding invitations. Perfectly normal people go etiquette-crazy when planning to be married and demand to know the proper way of doing everything, including some startlingly improper acts.

But it is not the correct wording for inviting the guests for which Miss Manners is constantly being asked. On the contrary, the very correctness of that tradition annoys people who claim to want formal invitations. It’s “too formal,” they protest. And, apparently, using their names does not sufficiently “personalize” it. So instead of writing perfectly nice informal invitations, they mess with the formal sort, lopping off honorifics and inserting extra words and thoughts about their pride, happiness and cordiality.

What they want to get exactly right according to tradition is a line they believe goes somewhere at the end. Here are some examples – among thousands – of the most frequently asked wedding question:

*“My son and future daughter-in-law have two beautiful children and have lived together for eight years. She wants to put on the invitations that they would both prefer money instead of gifts. How do you word it in the invitation?”

“Where does the information about gift registries go? I have seen it on the back of the invitation and on a separate card (with the couple’s mailing address for convenience). Which is the right way?”

“What would be the proper way to tell guests that we would appreciate monetary gifts, certificates, cash, checks, etc., without sounding snobbish? Someone suggested a poem on the subject but neither of us are poets. Would you happen to have anything to that effect in your archives?”

“I know it is tacky to ask for cash or checks in lieu of regular gifts, but what about gift cards? A friend suggested I use these lines: ‘For the gift-minded, we would like to keep our load light as we (all) will be traveling. Gift certificates or cash is acceptable.’ Help!”

"What is the polite way to express that money would be more welcome than physical gifts? We don’t need anything but do not want to disallow monetary gifts by saying ‘No gifts please.’ "

“Is there a way to bring up contributions to a 529 plan as an option for a wedding gift?”

“My fiance and I are senior citizens who do not wish material gifts but would not mind receiving monetary gifts. We do not want to appear greedy so this is a dilemma for us.”

“How do we put on the invitation that there will be Dollar Dances with the bride? I’ve been at weddings where guests were caught without the cash to participate.”

“My stepdaughter wants to include in the invitation a request that guests contribute money toward their honeymoon. Is there a tactful way to do this without being crude?”

“I did not register for our wedding, because I would like to do a money tree that I have heard about. Could you please help me? I want to be gracious on how I do this.”

“How would we ask for a money tree-type thing without sounding like a ‘gimme-pig’?”
*
Miss Manners is sorry to have to tell them all that she does not have a gracious and tactful extortion plea in her files, and that their qualms about sounding tacky, greedy and crude are fully justified. Only gimme-pigs regard their wedding guests as cash cows.

Miss Manners: Wedding is worth skipping

*Dear Miss Manners: Please tell me this “just ain’t so.” Our oldest granddaughter recently set her wedding date, and she and her spouse-to-be are paying for the reception themselves. We were then informed that she and her spouse-to- be are expecting to be refunded for the amount they are expending on the wedding and the reception in the form of cash payments and/or expensive gifts.

When we said we thought that was appalling, we were told that “everybody expects it today” and that the “older, wealthier guests” are expected to take their checkbooks along to the reception, decide how much their share of the “bash” is going to cost, and then write a check for the amount they feel is appropriate.

We have refused to fall in with such a grubby idea.

I honestly feel like just attending the wedding itself and excusing myself from the reception. We helped this child with large contributions toward her education to supplement the jobs she had and grants she obtained. We did that willingly, but THIS! No way!*

Gentle Reader: On all but one point, Miss Manners heartily agrees with you. And that is when you report that your granddaughter and her bridegroom are paying for their own wedding reception.

No, they’re not. They are only investing the upfront money with the demand that they be reimbursed. They are, in effect, selling tickets. Like you, Miss Manners considers this a commercial opportunity worth skipping.

Miss Manners: Give gift presents, not cash

You would think that Miss Manners ran the billing department. Here is a small sample of the messages that keep peppering her inbox.

*“We are attending a wedding this weekend and want to give the couple money for a wedding present. What is the appropriate amount to give?”

“What is the expected amount of a gift card when the baby is not related?”

“How much money should you give to a niece for high school graduation?”

“What is considered today as an appropriate monetary wedding gift for a single male attending a large wedding (120 plus people) of his best friend’s daughter?”

“Will be attending a wedding of my grandson at a park with a picnic to follow. What is the correct cash gift etiquette?”

“What is an appropriate amount of money to give a high school graduate who is your husband’s best client’s daughter. We are attending a party in her honor, too. $50 or $100?”*

Miss Manners has a question of her own:

What do these people expect? A firm amount, such as “$129.99 for weddings with $17 bonus if wedding dinner is edible”? A formula, such as “one-fifth of a percent of your disposable income for a baby who is related; one-tenth of a percent for one who is not”?

The sad thing that they do expect is that they are obligated to pay people for passing Go, and that there are understood to be admission fees for attending any related events. This is what the ancient and noble customs of giving presents and providing hospitality have come to: How much do I owe?

That is something people all have to decide for themselves. Any formula made without knowing the giver’s financial circumstances and the type and depth of the relationship to the recipient would be meaningless.

But then, giving friends and relatives money has rendered a charming gesture meaningless.

Miss Manners is aware that many find paying a welcome relief from having to put real effort into performing social duties, such as thinking about what present might please the particular recipient and about returning hospitality. Never mind that thoughtfulness and reciprocation are what these duties are all about, and, indeed, basic pleasures of civilized society.

After all, they reason, how can they go wrong (if only they could get Miss Manners to determine the correct amount)? Who doesn’t like receiving money?

Well, here’s a shock: Many people do not. Some are actually insulted to be paid by their peers. Some are disappointed that people they thought cared about them don’t care enough to think about them. Some just miss the fun of being surprised, delighted or amused by opening pretty packages.

And while they don’t yet realize it, all of them will miss the warm pleasure of living with little things associated with warm relationships.

If there is any warmth behind “OK, how much do I owe?” Miss Manners has missed it.

And there’s more, from a variety of sources:

Weddings as Fund-raisers

Gimme Gimme

Miss Manners: Engaged couple plans wedding fundraiser

Selling Centerpieces for Honeymoon Funds

Making Money by Marrying

So… Miss Manners says it’s coo’, right?

RadicalPi, the distinction you missed in the “gift experience” post above is between experiences gifted (chosen) by the giver, and ones planned by the recipient for themselves, and billed to their acquaintances. You getting me tickets for a show you think I’d like is a fine gift. Me informing you of the show I want to attend and expecting you to pony up is crass and greedy.

I think this is tacky, and I also believe cash bars are tacky.

I think you should invite as many people as you can afford to entertain. You are the hosts; they are the guests. You don’t charge the guests you invite to your home for the beverages you serve (at least I hope not), so you don’t charge the guests you invite to your wedding for their beverages.

If all you can afford (or all you want to spend) is 20 people for cake and punch, invite 20 people to your wedding for cake and punch.

Presents are always optional.

I’m getting a little less stringent as I get older, but in my mind if you want to set up a honeymoon registry that operates like any other gift registry then I wouldn’t object. IOW, no listing any registry on the invitations; if guests ask they can be told where the couple is registered. Also, no asking for money for the basics of travel, ie airline costs and hotel. The basics of travel should be paid for. That said, if the couple wants to list tickets to a show, or a couples massage at the spa or a bottle of champagne, things that they would like to have but could also do without, then it wouldn’t kill me. In fact, depending on the couple, I might be just as happy to purchase them a spa treatment during their honeymoon as I would to purchase them a place setting from their registry on the internet. Then again, that’s just me and I tend to try to shop off the registry anyway.

Seriously, it’s almost like all these rules are designed to punish the couple for having the sheer gall to invite you to their wedding. Fuck that noise. I know plenty of people who used a cash registry and they weren’t any more “classless” than the ones who didn’t. I’m happy as long as I get to give a gift that I know the couple won’t have to return.

I think you are missing the point of the “rules” which is that the couple is hosting a party to celebrate their wedding and the guest has no responsibility to do anything other than attend and be happy for the couple. If the couple considers the above “punishment” then they are not inviting guests that they wish to celebrate with. What usually happens is that they guest is so pleased to be invited to the party and so happy for the couple that he chooses to give the couple a gift. Ideally, he would know what the couple likes, but if he is not sure, he can ask the couple’s family what the couple might like. There is no proscription against giving cash or against the family saying that they aren’t aware that the couple needs anything, which might tend to push most guests toward a cash gift anyway.

This is actually how traditional Chinese weddings work. No registry, and guests are expected to give cash (these days checks are prefered for security; elders may give gold jewelry). The invitiations come with red envelopes to put the money in and there’s a box to deposit them at the sign in table. After the reception the coulple’s relatives add everything up and ideally it should cover the costs of reception.

Not tacky. Is everyone else missing the bit where it says that what they really want is your presence and giving towards the holiday is optional?

I think it is brilliant.
I also did a money dance and the chicken dance at my wedding, so tacky obviously doesn’t bother me.

I don’t know if it’s me or the Dope that’s cray, but I have never understood this whole concept of pretending that gift registries don’t exist when you’re going to a wedding. “Ooooh, they mentioned what to do about gifts, instead of leaving people to flail around at random sites or home that the can magically divine which family member or friend has the secret gift information! How tacky! How crass!” Whatever. A wedding is a gift-giving occasion for most people and in my experience, when I’m attending a wedding it’s because I like the couple and want o contribute to their happiness. Whether my contribution is a toaster or a check toward their Bermuda trip doesn’t matter, and I’m delighted when they tell me explicitly what would make them happy. I’m too busy to chase that shit down.

As Miss Manners says (as above), young couples can give a wedding they can afford. It’s a party they are hosting and they should pay for it.

And etiquette calls for gift givers to not bring gifts to the wedding but to send them to the couple at their home, to avoid the very situation you describe.