To review: playfully insulting an entire gender is not as bad as playfully insulting an individual.
Got it.
You never said anything at all about making friends which is what my post referred to. I never claimed that you had any problems at all, anything you are perceiving along this vein is you reading something in my statement that isn’t there. I also never said that nobody catches a hard time for their intelligence, please, please stop attributing things to me I did not say.
Again you are reading entirely too much into this statement. I merely made a statement that intelligence does not impact the number of friends you have rather being generally a likeable person does. In my opinion this is the rule but like all rules there are exceptions. Perhaps there is a school with a bunch of neanderthal brutes walking around that victimize smart kids. However that is the exception and does not invalidate the rule. Just like if I said being tall makes you a good basketball player. Does that hold true for every single case? Of course not but as a general rule it is very accurate.
Aren’t you supposed to be looking for times when I get angry so you can get off?
Yes I realize what transpired you piece of shit, I fucking wrote my post! I know what I meant. And my point was that one of the quotes in the OP wasn’t necessarily bragging as it was a valid concern. Isn’t it ironic, dontcha think?
Tool.
It was snarky, it didn’t have any conctent. You still don’t seem to grasp why me not bragging and talking about how a parent might’ve had valid concerns isn’t ironic. Keep writing though, schmuck.
Hey coward, grow a pair. He didn’t “explain” he said
“Because you were using your post as an excuse for an egotistical boast about your own early genius, and to get in a way-too-early boast about your presumptively precocious children?
In other words, because you were being an egotistical braggart of exactly the sort we were discussing?”
Go figure, I responded to an insult, an insult which you oh-so-honestly totally avoided mentioning in your big ol’ list. So fuck you too, ballless fuck.
I see… I didn’t specifically say it, but it must be test scores. It must be! Fucking moron. Cherry picking moron, by the way. I said that people were either jealous or stupid. But please, try to make that into me saying that I was bragging and telling people off about my test scores.
In fact!
Yes, a fact.
Sure.
Cuz, I wasn’t saying that. Which your cherry picked list didn’t, erm, list. You’re an intellectually dishonest piece of shit, by the way.
Because it wasn’t ironic. Why exactly can’t you grasp that, schmuck? While not bragging I pointed out that some of the parents concerns might very well not be bragging and might be based in fact.
If anything was ironic, it’s that I got jumped on for bragging because I pointed out that some parents might not be bragging.
Whooooooa… you mean, being forced to be modest about your intelligence might create a climate of anti-intellectualism? Treis, you’re slipping. Go dig up some of my old posts and masturbate.
Heavens forbid I point out why spelling is difficult for me. Wanna claim I’m bragging and it’s ironic? Fucking moron.
You’re right, you’re taking time off of looking for my posts where I get angry. Come on, you’re slipping.
Piece of shit coward.
Your opinion meant exactly what it implied, and you’re a fucking whining coward. And, again, it wasn’t ironic, I wasn’t bragging, I was just pointing out that concerns were valid.
Again, coward, I responded to insults with insults. Get some balls you loser.
Lying piece of shit!
He insulted me, directly, called me a braggart, remember? Go figure that he was met with insults. You’re pathetic.
Quit lying you waste of space.
I never said anybody was jealous of my test scores and you’re deliberately ignoring that in order to make a point.
After the villagers tossed flower petals at Finn, he proceeded to rampage and attack the village.
Good story, but you ignore that fact that you’re a cowardly piece of shit and refuse to admit the implications of your own post, and spoke- was hardly polite in his initial ‘explenation’ of how I was an arrogant braggart.
A filthy coward to the bitter end, congrats.
Hide in the fact that it was an opinion. Cower and hide.
Your ‘opinion’ was that intelligence is not a limiting factor, and instead that people who claimed to have had problems due to intelligence were really just assholes. Your text dude, I can still quote it. But please, bravely deny it.
And I’m sure that you need to get that free time back, gotta look up my posts after all. Snuggles schnookums.
Preview again, you didn’t get it.
Playfully insulting how people of a gender are socialized is not the same as seriously claiming that someone is a braggart, and doing so under the cover of a joke.
Ya know what Treis, life’s too short for this. If you want to just chalk this up to a misunderstanding and let the past be the past, then I’ll be happy to drop this. If you want to fight some more, I guess I’ll still be here.
What exactly were you accusing ** spoke- ** of being jealous of, if not your test scores?
You just don’t get it do you? Try re-reading ** Elza B**'s OP specifically the part about parents using their children to brag about themselves and read her examples. Then read your statement and tell me how it differs at all from what she said? Regardless of what you meant to say YOU DID THE EXACT THING SHE WAS PITTING. I can’t make it any more explicit than that.
I don’t know why you feel the need to continually insult me when I have done nothing to deserve it. I accurately and honestly presented what I thought transpired. There is no attempt on my part to decieve anyone or paint anyone in a bad light. Any bias you see is you interpeting something that is not there. I have repeated this a few times now, my initial post was not meant to insult you. Did you get that? My initial post was not meant to insult you. One more time. My initial post was not meant to insult you.
Now on the other hand you have shown yourself to be a gigantic ass and I have no qualms in pointing that out.
Who the fuck knows? Someone accused me of being arrogant. I saw what I said as a perfectly reasonable anecdote. I assumed that jealousy of one sort or another would be a reasonble explenation for thinking a simple statement of fact was beyond the pale. Who knows why exactly? Jealous that I wasn’t being circumspect, jealous that I wasn’t showing false modesty, who the fuck knows? I was wrong in that instance, ah well.
And by the way, if I meant to imply that a poster wished that they had my test scores, I’d say that. But I don’t believe that tests prove anything but how good you are at taking the test, anyways. So I wouldn’t even do that.
Jesus fucking christ, I’m trying real hard to be civil here, but this is just so damn frustrating. You can’t make it any more explicit, and you’re still fucking wrong.
Elza’s post was about parents bragging about their kids. I pointed out that it might not always be bragging, and might be a valid concern sometimes.
The people she pitted used their children’s stories as bragging rights. I simply pointed out how sometimes it might not simply be bragging, and it might be a valid concern.
Or, to put it even more painfully simple:
She pitted people bragging about their kids.
I wasn’t bragging.
Therefore, it wasn’t the exact same thing.
But hey, say it’s the same exact thing, use caps, have fun, knock yourself out. You’ll still be wrong.
Um… no.
Again… if you insult someone by painting a picture of them that’s bad, don’t be surprised when they respond. The fact that it’s your opinion means nothing.
Then you really need to clean up your writing. I’ve gone over the clear logical implications of what you said.
Since lists seem to be popular
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[li]I say that I had a rough time being accepted in high school due to my inteligence.[/li][li]You say that intelligence doesn’t limit people from making friends, as long as they’re just basicly nice guys. This implies that someone who claims that their intellect got in the way of being accepted would not be actin’ like nice guys. [/li][li]So, to put it into final syllogism form: I said that I caught shit (eg. had trouble being friends with some people) because of my intellect. You responded by saying that people shouldn’t blame their intelligence, because it’s really lack of social skills This implies that I didn’t really have problems due to intelligence, but due to lack of social skills. This is an insult, by the way.[/li][li]Make whatever caveats you want now as to exceptions to rules and such, but you stated these things in very definite terms. [/li][/ul]
Yes, a total ass.
Just like the first time spoke- challenged me, it was very polite and I was out of line for responding in kind.
This may be a waste of my time, but I’ll at least make one final appeal for some sort of truce, or at least a cease fire. Your choice.
Fuck. Is anyone smart enough to know how to disable the fucking POWER button? It ate my post.
Anyways…
People won’t change their opinions just because you want to argue them out of them, however smart you may be.
People are not rational animals.
Look, I can see how the insinuation that you had a difficult time in HS because you were an asshole, rather than being on a different mental wavelength to others, is insulting. And I’m fully expecting you to blow me off with whatever epithets you feel like using. But I’m willing to waste five minutes of my Friday night to say, if you want other near-strangers to treat you with respect, try treating them with respect too. The first time I came across you, F, on this board, I found you to be quite unpleasantly abrasive. It was quite perplexing, because no-one else on this board comes across like that.
So yeah. Be grateful that an accident of birth gave you smarts. Many people struggle because they find school so damn difficult.
Why not put all that mental energy into…charity work? Fundraising? Political activism? Finding a cure for some debilitating disease? Making the world a little less nasty for other people.
Lighten up a bit.
Other than that. Yeah. James Joyce and all that.
All I know is I read this entire thread (blaming entirely myself for it), and lost about 20 IQ points somewhere between page 1 and page 5. On the bright side, I’ll probably fit in better with people at work.
Well crap, you missed the part where I came in and was the voice of reason and all. The combatants took heed of my wisdomful pearls of, um wisdom, peace reigned, violets bloomed in the valley, and the voice of the turtle was heard again in the land.
Other than that, not a bad summary.
I have to add to this the frequent claims that someone is “lying” is unnecessarily abrasive and a rather hostile way of looking at what might be a simple difference in opinion or a misperception of your intent on the part of the poster.
With apologies to Conan O’Brien
I predict that this thread will end happily when a little blond haired boy points out to the posters involved that they enjoy many of the same foods.
Oooh. You called me a punkass chump! That magnificent brain of yours does know how to churn out some zingers, doesn’t it?
At least I know how to laugh at myself. This, my friend, is a skill you haven’t developed yet. I hope one day you do.
. . . and that very same blond haired boy grew up to become . . .
Before I wade in here, let me state that I tend to agree with Finn’s position, though I think he went a bit overboard.
And Finn, your insults are overly simplistic. Instead of laying down a suppressing fire of four letter words, try picking and choosing a couple zingers. Something like “you are the load your momma should have swallowed.”
The thread you linked to was a joke thread. It was clearly a joke thread. And it was an “equal time” thread mirroring the same concept modeled on the other sex. The thread linked in the OP was not a joke thread.
Therefore, I conclude that your link is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. You are clearly still pissed about that joke thread, so I suppose I can understand (even relate to) the impulse to throw it back in somebody’s face. (I’ve done the same, though it involved a different poster.) But your link isn’t supporting the argument you are making with it. Completely different context.
Up for a game?
That’s pretty much my take on it too, Ellis Dee. On re-reading, I can see how **Cemetary Savior’s ** next-day joke could be take as an after-the-fact pile on. But FinnAgain’s subsequent posts just went off the outrage-o-meter; it’s hard to generate any sympathy for someone who goes nucular so quickly.
The thread I linked to was a complaint about people not having a sense of humor, a complaint about people being offended by gender-oriented jokes.
FA spent a lot of time in that thread claiming that if people don’t find a joke funny, that’s fine, but if they can’t tell a joke from a non-joke then they are defective (“humor-impaired”). I simply find it amusing that this all started because he can’t tell a joke from a non-joke.
In the previous thread, his argument boiled down to “lighten up. It’s just a joke.”
In this thread, his argument boils down to “it’s insulting. It’s not just a joke.”
Unlike FA, I won’t call anyone humor-impaired if they don’t share my amusement at the juxtaposition of the two threads. Humor is very subjective.
Actually, while neither one is very good (assuming the individual doesn’t deserve the needling), I’d agree with that. The idiom “nothing personal” is so common because negative statements that AREN’T intended personally are usually taken less harshly than statements that ARE intended personally.
Consider:
“Men are slobs.”
“You’re a slob.”
Second one sounds harsher to me.
That said, neither one is very nice; and while individuals sometimes deserve the needling, all members of a sex never do.
fessie, you never peed in my Wheaties; but as I said, the “You’re too young to understand” attitude is one that has annoyed me all my life, and it’s one I’ve taken great pains never to cop with kids. Seems to me that kids and adolescents understand plenty that adults don’t, and that a lot of adult contempt for kids/teens is based on frustration that kids/teens aren’t adults. So it’s just the attitude that bugs me, not you personally.
Daniel
Ah yes, I forgot that was a multi-thread trainwreck. Without wading through it, my recollection is not that:
But rather:
This position I agree with. (In actuality, I agree with both flavors, but I’m reluctant to jump on the dogpile sitting atop Finn at the moment.)
And to all, always feel free to address me as simply Ellis. Ellis Dee sounds a bit formal to my ear, puns notwithstanding.
I dunno. I think the first one sounds bigoted and insulting, while the second one just sounds insulting.
I’d be willing to be argued out of that opinion, since it’s off-the-cuff. But I find that generally if someone says, “Don’t take it personally,” they mean, “Yeah, bub, this means you.”