Until I read the last line I thought you must have been right here in Australia (mate).
Not sure I want to step in this mess, but what the heck.
I didn’t see Finn as bragging either, at least not in the post that started this. Now…yeah kinda. It’s a little justified though. Not everyone is happy being on the bottom of the dogpile.
I’m just wondering why such insistance that FinnAgain was bragging. He has said that it wasn’t his intent. Why keep pushing that point? Do you know more about what is going on in his head than he does?
Oooooh. I want to play.
I am perfectly reasonable. I was just making a point. I was not trying to prove superiority.
Fuck you all, stupid bitches! I’m smarter than you. You are all fucking morons. How do you manage to breath with such low IQs? <Insert clever comparison to animal relating to lack of intelligence of opponent here>.
Thank you for the cite (and a good cite-not wikipedia or some blog.) I thought you were making a more direct assertion regarding intelligence and genetics. I withdraw my previous comment.
I can’t see how Lib’s respect for you is justified IMO, you’ve shown yourself to be everything he’s said you weren’t in the beginning of this pitting.
Sam
Really? And you say that while quoting my last post?
Damn! Is there a tongue-in-cheek smiley?
No doubt about that. 
No, he posted two of his accomplishments because he found it relevant–although misguided. It’s not like he made a list of everything he’s done since then!
Because the OP is specifically about bragging, not about valid parenting concerns. It doesn’t take much inside knowledge about another board to get that. That’s why I’m confused when you say you were “whooshed”. What exactly went over your head? But nevermind, this was minor question anyway and has more to do with how people define “whooshing”.
Dude, slow down and read things carefully. I said no such thing. My point is why do you have to “show and tell” about how smart you were in school, when the main thrust of your post does not concern the proof of your intelligence, but rather the problems you had with your peers supposedly because you were smart.
I dunno, people in general who blame intelligence and giftedness on their lack of popularity? Plenty of posters were responding to things they have observed outside of the actual thread. And even if he was talking about you, he wasn’t being a jerk about it. So I still fail to see why he needs to be pitted and you’re not doing a good job of explaining why.
If you took issue with the logic behind treis opinion, perhaps you should argue rationally against it instead of nailing yourself to a cross and begging for honor and courage like the hero out of Braveheart. You have really blown things out of proportion.
So now you have a monopoly on words that are rather commonplace on the boards? Cool off.
I could see you disagreeing with the opinion. I could see you inferring some insinuations from his post. But I don’t understand why anything he wrote was a Pitable offense.
I will continue to think you are reading things that aren’t there until you “show and tell” us where treis made an absolute statement about children every where. Perhaps I missed it.
That’s the point of contention, isn’t it. It’s not clear to me that he did insult you. At least to a level that is on par with your response.
It all depends on how she went about saying it. If she said “Well, I have the kind of looks that most guys find intimidating. I mean, whenever I walk in the people stare at me, especially other men. It makes guys insecure having a girl that garners that kind of attention, but I can’t help it!” wouldn’t your eyes roll just a bit?
How do you interpret that out of “I also was not friends with the people that were generally assholes and used their intelligence to demean others.” Or "The amount of friends you have has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with being a friendly, down to earth, humble and frankly just a nice person. "
He never even said anything about people being picked on.
But if it makes you feel as if this thread was justified, go head and get your feelings hurt by his post.
Hey I’m only wanting to know what venom you saw in treis post to have his name included in the title. Frankly, I don’t see it. Your initial post in that thread wouldn’t have striked me as being all that braggadocious, outside of that discussion. But because of the context, it indeed was amusing to observe that your post bore similarities to what was being pitted. Jokes were made about that and you perceived them as attacks. And reacted in a way that spawned a true pile-on.
You did more than point out statistics. You basically belittled all activities that involved something other than burying your nose in a book. You reduced extracurricular activities that develop atheletic, leadership, and interpersonal skills to “throwing a ball”. When people mentioned that there are more prerequisites to success than a GPA and a degree, you ignored that so that could you pontificate more about the virtues of scholastic credentials. Because you couldn’t even begrudgedly acknowledge the value of skills other than the ones you happen to have, you were called elitist. Not because of anything else.
You can speak back. But when people keep telling you similar things, there’s nothing doormat-like about listening to them.
He may not have been bragging this time. But the kid has a tendency to fart his own horn. It can be incredibly annoying sometimes, and if he acts like he does here in real life, I can see why he has faced some problems. I agree with the posters who have said that being intelligent does not mean you will be subject to ridicule. Believing this does not mean that no one has ever been teased for being a brainaic. It just means that I think 9 times out of 10, there’s something else about that kid that makes him or her a target (obsequious behavior, no social skills, quirky habits, arrogance, etc.)
(I belong to the school of thought that says a truly intelligent person knows how to handle both the “intellectual” stuff and the emotional/social stuff. I don’t know why our society thinks brain power is more important than feeling power. I guess we are stupid.)
That said, I think people should have left him alone in the original OP. But at the same time, FinnAgain should grow thicker skin and learn how to construct an intelligent retort that does not include the words “bitch”, “fuck”, fucking", “idiot”, and “mediocretin”. Maybe he would get more sympathy from people.
You deserve a more serious reply.
Lib’s words were kind, but I can’t live up to them. I do get into pissing matches from time to time. (Just ask friend Miller.)
I do try to remain calm, even when I disagree with someone. I do try to be reasonable and thoughtful, though perhaps I don’t always succeed. Please go back and read my posts in this thread. You won’t find any profanity, or (I think) any posts which suggest flying spittle.
I don’t doubt that Finn had some unpleasant experiences in school. Hell, I got teased, too. Probably most of the posters on these boards did at some point. (This is a pretty intelligent community, wouldn’t you agree?)
I disagree with Finn’s style. Not only the initial post (which still looks like bragging to me) but also the subsequent posts in which Finn accuses his critics of jealousy. Does that not strike you as the least little bit arrogant? Wouldn’t you agree that it is dangerous on these Boards to assume you have higher test scores or greater academic achievements than other posters?
But hey, if Finn wants to let bygones be bygones, I’m fine with that.
And I really will buy him a beer if I ever meet him.
Does anyone else have links to ** FinnAgain ** blow ups? These threads are pretty darn amusing.
Actually, it would prove something. It would prove that when you are the butt of the joke, you get awfully pissy awfully fast. But when someone else is the butt of the joke, well HAW HAW HAW!
In the linked pit thread, you were the butt of the joke. It was actually pretty funny, I thought, until you started getting so upset about it. At that point, it stopped being particularly funny for me. Why? Because you were getting upset about it. And while I’m not a kind person, I’m kind enough not to want well-meaning people feeling like they’re under attack.
In the thread I linked to, you viciously and spitefully attacked everyone who was upset at what they (and I) perceived as sexist jokes. You screamed lots of epithets, attempted to belittle lots of people, and then said they were “humor-impaired” if they didn’t see that the jokes were jokes.
It’s a two-way street, you know. If you get to belittle others as being humor-impaired when you think the joke is obvious, others get to belittle you for being humor-impaired when they think the joke is obvious. If you get to scream at others for laughing at your expense, then others get to scream at you for laughing at their expense. You don’t get a magical free pass to be unoffended, especially when you scream at others for taking offense.
I like Grover, by the way, but Elmo is a bit overwhelming. Perhaps I could watch “The Electric Company” instead?
It’s amazing to me that someone who really is genuinely insightful much of the time seems to be so lacking in the all-important quality of self-insight. Even when his behavior is described by outsiders - ones not involved in the conflict, and whose opinions are obviously much more objective than his own - he can’t see it. Even when they’re unanimous in their opinions, he won’t stop to consider that they might be right. This defensive lashing-out is what leads to the harsh responses he gets.
I wonder how bad school was for him to cause him to constantly perceive himself as being under attack.
You spelt breathe wrongly. sniggers
Hey, this thread seems to be sputtering out. Think we can get it cranking again by arguing whether it’s “spelt” or “spelled”?
spoke-:
I probably shouldn’t have used the word jealous, I was reasonably pissed and through explaining myself, still should’ve been more careful in my verbiage. I’ll see that bea\er and buy next round, been a long day.
Monstro… how much sympathy do I get for pointing out that you’re a punkass chump? Not much, eh? Well… ok, you’re still a punkass chump though. The thread I was ‘tooting my horn’ in? That’d be the one where I claimed to know what I was talking about, and then proved it? Thought as much. Go back to some damp dark place and molt.
Treis, I have no idea how empty your life is that you’d actually spend time looking for instances where I lose my temper on the Dope. That’s beyond pathetic. Good luck with your new hobby.
JS: You, too are a moron. Not all jokes are the same, and playful battle of the sexes banter is not the same thing as deliberately insulting someone under the cover of a joke. No ammount of ink you spill will change this fact. But it’s cute seeing you try.
Liar.
You’ll notice that, first of all, I think the worst I get is calling people humorless whiners, hardly vicious spiteful attacking. Moreoever, you’ll notice that, lo and behold, no I didn’t ‘spitefully attack everybody’ I maintained a perfectly civil dialogue with matt_mcl. I just pointed out that you and others were being humorless whiners.
Listen, learn, stop being so goddamn dense.
Here we go:
Playful banter about how some women and some men are socialized to behave is not the same as insulting a specific individual and doing so under the cover of a joke. See, not all jokes are the same, eh? Funny… you can’t just take a word and apply it willy nilly as if it means the same thing in every context… try to keep up honey.
Exalibre: You really don’t know me, although your armchair psychology is charming. Please tell me more about my processes of introspection? I really want to see what your insights are.
First, not everybody agreed, even the ‘outsiders’.
Second, even if they did and I came to the rational conclusion that I was not in the wrong, should I really change my behavior simply because some people view me some way? Let me let you in on something, the only people’s suggestions I’ll listen to without question are the mods. I didn’t notice that you’re one.
Third, how many people might I interact with in a thread? A half dozen? You want me to take the weight of a half dozen, or a dozen opinions more seriously than the verdict of my own mind? You’re not even ashamed to offer such a bald faced bandwaggon fallacy?
Fourth what, exactly, should I ‘see’? That even after disclaimers people insist on reading my text a certain way? Enlighten me.
Defensive lashing out? Another coward, eh? Insult me, and I respond. By the way, just in case you’re planning on being a coward too, yes, implying that I don’t have any self-insight, beyond being a claim to knowledge which is both arrogant and ridiculous, is wrong. So if you want to pretend that you know my inner workings, and speak disparagingly, I’ll be happy to insult you back.
If you’re a coward, you’ll point to me getting upset with you as justification. Hell, I’m sure Treis will lap it up and masturbate to it.
Constantly, eh? How many posts do I have on the Dope? How many do I think I’m being attacked in?
I thought so, asshole.
Please, just get a tad bit o’ courage, k? If people are attacking me, I’ll respond. Thanks.
Damnit, that’ll teach me to preview in Word.
spoke- that’d be a beer, not a bear, or even a bea/er.
But I suppose if I have enough beers I might be willing to argue for the right to keep and arm bears…
ah well.
Let us summarize the events so far:
- ** Elza B ** starts a pit thread about moms that brag about their child. She specifically mentions that the worst are the ones that try to disguise modesty by bragging about themselves in relation to their kids. Saying specifically:
- ** FinnAgain ** comes in and posts:
Nearly identical to the statement that ** Elza B ** used as an example of what she was pitting in her OP. This is Ironic! Its funny!
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** CS ** Comes in and makes an Alannis Morisette joke. Not extremely funny but a decent reference in response to the irony in ** FinnAgain**'s post
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I make my statement that the amount of friends you have isn’t related to intelligence rather to (paraphrasing) how nice of a person you are.
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** FinnAgain ** apologizes (although its not clear if he realizes what has transpired) and reads way too much into my statement.
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** CS ** mentions his Morisette crack again for no apparent reason
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** FinnAgain ** responds in a fairly confrontational manner and calls ** CS **'s post snarky and of 0 content. Still doesn’t appear to grasp what was ironic about his statement.
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** spoke- ** comes in and explains why ** FinnAgain **'s comments where ironic attributing motivations that may or may not have been there.
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** FinnAgain ** comes in and responds that he is sorry that his statements make ** spoke- ** feel inferior and jealous and claims that he was not bragging merely stating facts.
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** spoke- ** comes in and implies that ** FinnAgain ** didn’t get along with other kids becuase he is an asshole not becuase of intelligence.
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** CS ** explains his irony and further explains event number 6 (apparently its more irony! huzzah!)
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** FinnAgain ** comes back and repeats his claim that ** spoke- ** is jealous of his test scores (he didn’t specifically say test scores but it is the only thing he has stated in the thread)
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** CS ** posits that it was in fact ** FinnAgain **'s touchiness and overwhelming self esteem and tells ** FinnAgain ** to lighten up.
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** spoke- ** in response to statement 12 says the funny part is that ** FinnAgain ** is assuming that his test scores were higher than ** spoke- **'s
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** FinnAgain ** calls ** CS **'s arguing tactics cowardly and basically repeats various insults and repeats the ideas expressed in early posts. Still doesn’t seem to grasp why his first post was ironic.
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** CS ** repeats the basic ideas from his previous posts adding some new insults. Signs it as Asshat which I assume is an unfortunate attempt at calling ** FinnAgain ** an asshat :wally
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** fessie ** points out that ** FinnAgain ** missed the point of the OP and critiques his spelling.
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** FinnAgain ** responds to ** spoke-**'s statement in 14 by quoting his claim and calls him a lying sack of shit. Clearly he either did not read close enough or projected something that wasn’t there in statements 9 and 12. Continues with gratuitous insults and repeats his claim of jealousy among other factors as being the possible causes of ** spoke- 's statements. Accuses ** spoke-'s suggestion of modesty of creating an anti-intellectual America
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** FinnAgain ** quotes the post represented by statement number 5. Still does not appear to grasp why his statement was ironic. Responds to the spelling critique by claiming that he has dyslexia and dysgraphic.
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** fessie ** says that ** FinnAgain ** should have kids.
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** FinnAgain ** responds to 16 with the same basic themes and insults as previous posts.
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** FinnAgain ** asks ** fessie ** what the fuck he meant by statement 20.
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** fessie ** responds that he should have kids becuase he has so much energy and expresses hope that his wife will be the provider so he can spend time with them.
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** FinnAgain ** starts this pit thread.
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I waste entirely too much time writing this post.
To summarize, points 1-5 include ** FinnAgain ** making an ironic statement, ** CS ** making a fairly lame joke, me expressing my opinion and ** FinnAgain ** reads way too much into it. Following from there ** CS ** makes his second statement which was less than clear and ** FinnAgain ** responded in a confrontational manner. From there ** spoke- ** tried to explain, perhaps reading too much into the statements, the irony and was met with insults.
In 18 ** FinnAgain ** calls ** spoke- ** a lying sack of shit for his ** spoke-**'s correct statements in 14. From there its mostly insults exchanged between ** FinnAgain **, ** CS ** and ** spoke- ** largely coming from ** FinnAgain **. ** fessie ** comes in with a fairly bizzare statement to which ** FinnAgain ** responds with insults. ** fessie ** clarified his statements in the following post.
Basically we have ** CS ** making a fairly lame joke about FinnAgain
s ironic post and ** FinnAgain ** way overreacting. ** spoke- ** was attributing motivations that probably weren’t there, ** FinnAgain ** overreacted with patently false insults. ** fessie ** makes a bizzare statement but clarifies it in a way that still leaves a lot to desire. Me? I expressed my opinion and now have wasted a lot of time becuase of it.
Yes, and my point was that it might not always be bragging because it’s a valid concern. I was unaware of the message board context it was occuring in, so I didn’t realize that it must, by necessity be bragging.
Need me to say it?
If you don’t understand why claiming that someone didn’t have any problems due to intellect and was instead an asshole is an insult, well… ~shrugs~ You fail to see why he’s been Pitted, I fail to comprehend your lack of understanding. I’m honestly at a lack for words. How else can I possibly explain it? He suggested that nobody catches a hard time for their intelligence, and only those who are assholes have a problem. That means he called me an asshole. How, exaclty, is that not some sort of insult?
Bullshit. His opinions are worth precisely shit. I’m not about to ‘argue rationally’ against someone’s claims that their childhood is a model for all children, everywhere. It’s too stupid to justify with anything substantial.
What the fuck are you talking about? Nailing myself to a cross? People insulted me, and didn’t have the courage to either apologize or admit it. They then went on to blame me for getting upset at being insulted. Is this honorable? Is this corageous? So take your pop movie refrence and cram it sideways.
Someone says that they were harrased for using “polysyllabic words” and then a few posts later someone metions “polysyllabic words”… and it’s a stretch to think they’re connected? I don’t have to have a monopoly on words, I just have the ability to recognize when someone uses the same phrase. I know, it’s rocket science.
Ah well.
Guess you’ll never know.
I’ve quoted it, what, twice in this very thread? Yet again, he said “The amount of friends you have has nothing to do with intelligence " then " I stand by my statements intelligence does not prevent anyone from making friends.”
How the hell are you reading those that they don’t come off as definite statements made about large numbers of people?
Why it’s not clear to you, I have no idea. And here we have the same fucking issue, on par with his response. Folks want to insult me for how I respond to being insulted? Isn’t there paint to watch dry somewhere?
I’m not going to get into an analogy fight. The fact remains, in some cases it’s not bragging, and it is the turth.
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Again, I think you don’t understand because there’s just something not clicking with you, and I’m really out of patience.
See, the statement about the ammount of friends you have having nothing to do with not being picked on? See… being picked lowers the ammount of potential friends you have. This really isn’t rocket science here.
No, see… you posting now is after the thread started, thus, it can’t justify my OP. I’m also not insulted by you, but I do think you’re being painfully dense.
Yes, you were dense, I’ve pointed it out several times. I’d apologize for not treating you with kid gloves, but ah well.
Again: being dense. Insults were made in the guise of jokes. Not the same thing. You can’t ‘joke’ that a person you’re talking to is a braggart. That’s not humor, it’s a direct insult.
Oh, I’m sorry, I belittled throwing a ball as a legitmate means of social advancement. The nerve! Again, aducation is the most effective way to achieve upward mobility. A school with a struggling academic program should not be running expensive sports teams. Anybody who chooses to avoid academics (as was the subject of the thread) and focus on sports or music has got very slim odds of making it big, and even then, you don’t stay on top long. You want me to sugarcoat facts or something? And if I don’t I’m an elitist?
Sorry, getting a good education is a more sure-fire way to getting social power. Dunno what you want me to do about it.
Then people were morons to call me an elitist for not saying that throwing or catching a ball was a vastly marketable skill. It’s not. It’ll never be. Deal.
See… I do listen, that’s how I determine that they’re wrong. Funny… that.