If you had dual citizenship to some reasonable other country, say, Ireland, at what point would you throw in the towel and move there? Things are getting really crazy in this country but how bad does it have to be before you would decide it’s time to go? When is it time to leave your home or job and go somewhere saner?
I’d have probably left during the Bush II years, much less now.
I just came back to America six months ago! I’m here for the duration.
I left for other reasons long ago, and that was without dual citizenship.
Hell, I just let my parents know that if things in the US get bad enough, they’re eligible for visas in Japan as family of a citizen and a permanent resident.
I left 2 years ago, although I thought Obama was great I was absolutely fed up by the gerrymandering and stonewalling from Congress. Obama, if allowed, could have actually made some positive differences. At least for 8 years nothing got worse.
Now the political situation has gone full retard and I just cancelled a trip to visit family in the US until shit settles down. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Mr. Tiny Hands close off the borders on any given weekend without warning just for shits.
I’d been renting my old house, keeping a foot in the door. Now I’ve given notice to the renters and will be liquidating that asset - hopefully before the wars and economic chaos gets into full swing.
I do have dual citizenship, and I do live in Australia full time - not for any political reasons, at least not up to November of last year.
I’ve considered renouncing my US citizenship. I’ve decided, for now, to keep it, to continue to vote, write Congress, etc.
Renouncing would have little practical effect on my life; I’d have to get a visa to visit family, but I wouldn’t have to file income taxes anymore. Probably a wash.
Emotionally, I’m an American. It is, for better or worse, a part of my identity. I strongly resist the idea of renouncing my citizenship, and until Trump got elected, I would never have considered it.
At what point would I renounce and abandon the US? I dunno, I’d like to think that if it got that bad I’d come back to join the Resistance - we’re talking full on martial law / a Bannon dictatorship here. May be I’m just fooling myself.
At any rate, for now, I’m not planning on visiting the States; I’ll give the system time to correct matters (with whatever prodding I can do). After that? Who knows.
I’m another of the wee hours of the night chorus of those Americans who live abroad. Maybe I should go ahead and get my Colombian citizenship courtesy of Mrs Iggy. I have a feeling more than just a few countries might stop Americans from entering their lands in the coming months and years. Might be nice to have an alternate passport.
And I already live somewhere that qualifies as somewhat reasonable. If any Doper accountants or financial services folks want tips on moving to the Cayman Islands just send a PM my way. We’ve got warm weather in January and beaches. 
Same here! You lived under a military dictatorship, and I lived under a real autocracy. Things ain’t so bad here in comparison.
I left in 1996 and have dual citizenship now. Right at the moment I’m rather grateful to have the option, although the right-wing are busily ruining this country too.
The one possible silver lining of the Trump administration is that he’s said he will stop US taxation of foreign earned income. That’d be nice.
My kids, all of whom live in the US (but are dual citizens, although their spouses aren’t but their kids are) have been trying to get my wife and me to move to be near one of them in our old age and we were very seriously considering doing that. We kept saying, “Wait till after the election (ha, ha)”. Well it is now after the election and no laughing matter. We have put this move on hold indefinitely. So it is not when we will leave, but when we will return.
Things would have to get a lot worse for any of them to consider leaving. But read, “It can’t happen here” by Sinclair Lewis.
I left eleven years ago. I wasn’t dissatisfied with the USA. Just saw how much better the culture is in Mexico.
Even with the gasolinazo, the falling peso, and possible trade sanctions, we will survive. We have been through much worse times.
I came to the UK in 1995 on a temporary work assignment. I liked it here so changed it to a permanent transfer. Got dual citizenship in 2001. Renounced US citizenship a couple years ago due to FATCA making investing for retirement impossible. The only reason I’d have for even visiting the US these days would be family funerals, and I doubt I’d even make the effort.
Other countries don’t do that. They are not governed by eight-year-old snivelers on a tantrum.
Granted, in the '70s, there were a few countries that made it nearly impossible for an American to get a visa, but there aren’t any now. But quite a few charge a much higher visa fee to Americans, and that is retaliatory (they use the euphemism “reciprocal”), so there may be added difficulty for Americans traveling the world.
Never. This is my home. I may participate in armed rebellion if it comes to that, however. I might try and collect one hundred Nazi scalps if it comes to that. Try me, Steve “Littlefinger” Bannon and your little buddy Chester Cheeto!
I don’t have dual citizenship but I would leave if things affected my lifestyle definitively negative way, like not being able to bring family into the country that are legally eligible to come, inability to get health insurance, or religious persecution.
I am against Trump and most of his policies but that isn’t enough to get me to leave.
If I left it would be because of health care. Our health care system is so evil and corrupt that that would motivate me more than Trump to leave. At least Trump has checks and balances on him.
I live in the United States and so it’s very easy to find a place that suits one’s own political philosophies … from the Ultra-Conservative East Coast all the way to Rabid-Liberal West Coast … I think moving anywhere else we’d give up too much liberty, freedom and luxury …
I am sad that these Syrian refugees are being turned away at the borders … there’s the hope there will be ISIS trained terrorist embedded in the flow hellbent on destroying the US Federal government … and we have work for them around here … but no matter, the domestic terrorist is always the better value … if The Donald plans on keeping coal miners working through export, he’ll have to ship the filthy crap out of Texas or Long Beach … no way will those rail lines over the western mountains survive …
The worse things get the more reason I have to stay. The oath I served under and lived the majority of my adult life under didn’t expire when I retired. Neither technically did my service since I can be recalled from the Retired Reserve involuntarily. That doesn’t end just because things get tough, even to the point of a full Godwin Constitution revoked scenario where resistance comes with a high chance of losing my life.
“I … do solemnly swear … that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…”
At my current point in life, my leaving for a foreign country would depend on whether that country had something good, not whether America was bad. If I could get a good job there, I would. But even if America turned into a Hitlerish Fourth Reich I wouldn’t leave the USA for reasons of fleeing-the-bad; leaving or staying in the US isn’t, for me, based off of how bad the US is.
It’s about seeking good, not fleeing bad.
When they destroy Medicare. I’m 62.