QFT - perfect!
That’s a fair point. But there’s a difference between being marginalized and “convincing people to make a major change in their lives.” Unless for some reason discriminating against atheists or dismissing them is a major part of your life. In that case I’m not so much interested in persuading you as preventing your from being able to discriminate.
Most people here have been very generous with their time and patient, almost to a fault. It would behoove you to show a little respect. Neither time not patience is an inexhaustible supply.
If we’re being honest, it’s you who is being marginalized. At least your particular set of religious beliefs. More and more with every passing generation. If anyone has a self interests in need of protection, it’s probably you. True or False?
That debate was settled-Darrin #2.
I like to discuss ideas; that’s why I’m here. That can’t happen until the parties to the discussion agree on what the ideas are. In your case, it is taking a while, and it is wearying.
Imagine a thread on Christianity, in which one poster insisted that Christians worshipped Zeus, and asked Christians how they could worship a god that was a rapist. Is Christianity actually being discussed? No.
You ask this as though there are people that like being marginalized.
As for me, I’ll settle for being left alone. Living as I do in the United States, that hasn’t been a problem.
Christianity does offer to most, I suppose eternal life, and also less of a chance of ending up in hell. Kind of hard to compete against that, but atheists don’t take any of that seriously, anyway, and are strong enough to get through life without any promises or threats. Some Christians don’t need a crutch, they need a wheelchair. They need the church to lean on one another, and to help when their faith is weak. By admitting to others what miserable sinners they are, and asking forgiveness, they seek out reassurances that they are still loved and that Jesus and heaven still awaits by wishfully thinking it to be so.
Let’s not start that again, you Replacementist.
To be fair, in the nothing there are these quantum fluctuations… 
If it exists, it is natural.
Right - so sometimes people with nothing to sell turn it into something on the word of someone else - they package it up, add a brand and promote it - and if you believe hard enough - it might, maybe, one day soon - be something - but only if you have faith.
That sounds strangely familiar
What makes you think we’re offering them any thing at all? What makes you think we care if they make any change in their lives?
Here’s a hint: Most of us aren’t. Most of us don’t.
Atheists are no more than 8% of the U.S. population. Among that 8% they probably can’t even decide on which restaurant to go to…much less put together a coherent doctrine. If that isn’t marginalized, I don’t know what is.
And if I was remotely interesting in spreading atheism, that might bother me.
And one more time, atheists can’t put together a coherent atheist doctrine, because atheism isn’t a doctrine. Individual atheists can and have devised philosophies about life and ethics, I linked to one earlier (secular humanism), but those ideas aren’t called ‘atheism’ because they aren’t, nor are they only applicable to atheists.
Just for fun’s sake, I would wager you that denying the Second Coming puts you in smaller segment of Christians, than atheists are to the nation as a whole.
Okay, what is your definition of “marginalized.” Most of us do not use it to try to describe a diverse assemblage of people who have little to nothing in common except a lack of belief in a god or gods. They have no doctrine. They do not want a doctrine. They are only marginalized if the righteous religious folks decide to make an issue out of their lack of religion.
Darn, Pew has it at 17% of Christians not believing in a Second Coming.. Close but no cigar.
I didn’t deny the Second Coming…I just don’t believe that I will be around to see it.
It’s hard to find a decent restaurant that seats 24 million! You’re right about the doctrine, but then again, atheism isn’t a religion and doesn’t need a doctrine. Most atheists don’t want one, and they don’t want atheism to be a substitute for religion. This has been explained to you over and over again already.
This has become totally ridiculous. In another thread you said the Second Coming was a metaphor, then you said it’s getting more likely you’ll live to see it, then you said it was a metaphor again. How can you criticize atheists for not having a coherent doctrine when your own views seem to change every post?
Do you relegate scientists among the lower limits of social standing? Why do you suppose that most of them are either agnostics and atheists in the sciences? If you put all of the religious works on one side, and all of the scientific works on the other, do you have to think about it very long to see which group has contributed the most to society? When will faith ever discover its first fact?
Whatever, honeybunch. If thoughts like that allow you to feel superior to a group of people you claim you just don’t encounter offline, then so be it. Personally, I gave up on trying to change your deliberate ignorance a while back and am only posting here so that others won’t think you might be correct just because nobody is bothering to correct you.