[QUOTE=Liberal]
Speaking of Mao, maybe you should just kill us.
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Hitler was a christian…
See I can make stupid comparisons just like you!
[QUOTE=Thudlow Boink]
Whether it makes sense to you or not, there are plenty of religious people who question their beliefs, think about them, and end up believing them.
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Bullshit. A crisis of faith is your mind trying to snap you out of the stupid childish notions that you’ll be back with your loved ones and never ever have to really die. It’s a lie, a poison that clouds your brain. But that sick fucking poison has a sweet candy coating… eternal life, and rewards for the kicks in the nuts this life has given you.
You *want *to believe, so you ignore all the doubts. That doesn’t make you thoughtful. It makes you a fucking child. A pathetic, self-deluded creature who’d rather live in a fantasy world than actually see the universe for it’s actual glory, warts and all.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
So neither “I believe in God” nor “I don’t believe in God” have any bearing on how sinful a man may be.
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I don’t believe in any gods. How could I possibly be sinful?
[QUOTE=Lobohan]
Hitler was a christian…
See I can make stupid comparisons just like you!
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Ah, just like me, with my “lack of rationality, denial of rationality, or ignorance”.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
I don’t believe in any gods. How could I possibly be sinful?
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Oh, you couldn’t. My definition could never apply to you.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
So neither “I believe in God” nor “I don’t believe in God” have any bearing on how sinful a man may be.
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Actually, this statement can only apply to those who believe in gods, and thus is incorrect.
[QUOTE=askeptic]
That’s why I added it, sweetcheeks. I did not think it was superfluous when I typed it.
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That’s nice. Too bad it wasn’t responding to what anyone else said.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Speaking of Mao, maybe you should just kill us.
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What does Mao have to do with anything ? Oh, yeah, we are all supposed to pretend that Communism = atheism. In reality, Communism was a religion; one of Christianity’s “spawn” that I referred to. Just another faith based system, bloodthirsty as such systems tend to be, and insane as such systems ALWAYS are.
I’m sure that you probably really would kill me, if you could get away with it.
Communism doesn’t have to be a religion. Communism and religion are simply variations on hierarchical power structures, naturally hostile to each other (and every other similar structure) because they’re in active competition. Neither is self-correcting, which you can get away with in times and places where communication is controlled and/or slow, but it’s a weakness that’ll doom them both, sooner or later.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
What does Mao have to do with anything ? Oh, yeah, we are all supposed to pretend that Communism = atheism.
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Well, no. Much to your surprise, perhaps, you are not the only person here. I was discussing Mao with Max. Mao’s atheism was much like your own — dogmatic and hostile. He, like you, thought we were irrational and dangerous. So I wasn’t saying that communism (an economic philosophty) and atheism (a theological philosophy) are the same; I was saying that you and Mao are pretty much alike.
[QUOTE=Czarcasm]
Actually, this statement can only apply to those who believe in gods, and thus is incorrect.
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Oh, so that’s what you meant. I’m still not sure what your statement implies to me, though. Since I defined what I was talking about as “the obstruction of goodness”, you must mean to imply either that an atheist cannot obstruct goodness because there is no goodness to obstruct outside a belief in God, or that an atheism is moral perfection and therefore cannot obstruct goodness. Clearly, you cannot choose the wine in front of you, and so it must be the latter.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Oh, so that’s what you meant. I’m still not sure what your statement implies to me, though. Since I defined what I was talking about as “the obstruction of goodness”, you must mean to imply either that an atheist cannot obstruct goodness because there is no goodness to obstruct outside a belief in God, or that an atheism is moral perfection and therefore cannot obstruct goodness. Clearly, you cannot choose the wine in front of you, and so it must be the latter.
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The only thing I meant to imply, shockingly enough, was that your statement was incorrect.
[QUOTE=Der Trihs]
By deciding to ignore the facts and logic, because NOT ignoring facts and logic means giving up their beliefs. Being religious requires either a lack of rationality, denial of rationality, or ignorance.
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You know, Der Trihs, most of your posts in this thread are only reinforcing his belief.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Well, no. Much to your surprise, perhaps, you are not the only person here. I was discussing Mao with Max.
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Liar. You quoted me, not him.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
Mao’s atheism was much like your own — dogmatic and hostile. He, like you, thought we were irrational and dangerous.
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And he was right, about that at least. He probably also thought that setting yourself on fire was a bad move. In fact, Mao was no doubt right about any number of things; ‘do the opposite of him and you can’t go wrong’ is a cute joke, but bad advice. And given that the atheists are right, of course we tend to be “dogmatic” from your viewpoint. I’m also “dogmatic” that it’s raining outside. And it’s only good sense to be hostile to your enemies, and religion is hostile to everything but itself.
[QUOTE=Liberal]
So I wasn’t saying that communism (an economic philosophty) and atheism (a theological philosophy) are the same; I was saying that you and Mao are pretty much alike.
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Yeah, right. And how many millions have I killed ? And I see no reason to believe you were doing anything but yet again trying to falsely equate Communism and atheism. But then, it’s not like the believers can win an argument honestly; being on the side of evil and stupidity tends to do that.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
You know, Der Trihs, most of your posts in this thread are only reinforcing his belief.
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Anything I say would do that. So would saying nothing. Intellectually, religion is a self reinforcing closed system. I argue because I enjoy it, not because I think that anyone thickheaded enough to be religious as an adult is susceptible to any form of argument or evidence.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
You know, Der Trihs, most of your posts in this thread are only reinforcing his belief.
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Why don’t you fuck off, you busy body bitch? I would rather hear DT belch than anything you have to say. I hear MPSIMS has a thread you can use to keep your post count up.
[QUOTE=askeptic]
I hear MPSIMS has a thread you can use to keep your post count up.
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Thankfully, there’s a whole new forum for that.
[QUOTE=askeptic]
Why don’t you fuck off, you busy body bitch? I would rather hear DT belch than anything you have to say. I hear MPSIMS has a thread you can use to keep your post count up.
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Christ, did I run over your dog or something? I never said I supported the OP, just that DT is pretty much the stereotype he talks about. (And Der Trihs is a dickweed about pretty much everything, not just religion or politics or whatever)
Calm yourself down.
[QUOTE=Guinastasia]
Christ, did I run over your dog or something? I never said I supported the OP, just that DT is pretty much the stereotype he talks about. (And Der Trihs is a dickweed about pretty much everything, not just religion or politics or whatever)
Calm yourself down.
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At least he posts content occasionally. Like it or lump it, unlike you, he adds to the dope while you are a pointless gadfly.
Come back when you can insult me with something other than my post count.
As for Der Trihs, if you consider being a one trick pony to be “content”, that’s your opinion.
As for the OP, I don’t give a shit about zealots either way, as long as they leave me alone. Well, and don’t go around harassing people and trying to oppress them. (Atheists, Christians, Republicans, Scientologists, Michael Jackson fans, etc)