Attack of the Crazy Woman

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 3:37am

[QUOTE=Boyo Jim]
Hope, you’re not in Madison, and it’s not my local cops acting like assholes. Sounds more like Milwaukee at a guess – the cops there returned a escaped victim to Jeffrey Dahmer for subsequent murder.

If you can get hold of a camera, get some pictures of your face today. I gotta say, I think you should follow Sophistry and Illusion’s advice about a video camera. Maybe not mounted on your porch, but close at hand to the door so you can record any future confrontations. You can pick one up for under a couple of hundred bucks now and they’re not much bigger than a pack of cigs.

Record what they do every time they do shit, leave it running and keep it close to the phone when you call the cops, and record it if the cops show up at your door for a conversation. You might even want to follow the kids home again, but don’t get so close. Personally I wouldn’t advise that, the mom sounds like the kind of fruitcake who might start shooting.

If this happens a couple of times and the police won’t do jack, bring your footage to the local TV station.
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Manitowoc
And I think I just might break out the old video camera.. hasn’t since any use since the wife and I..erm.. nevermind .. and keep it by the door as suggested.

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 3:39am

[QUOTE=Apricot]
What’s the prosecutor’s office like in your area - that’s who makes the decisions really. The cops can choose not to take it to the prosecutor, but they really have the final say. I think that you should take it to them for a consult. It’s free, you know. They could see just how nicely you testify…
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Thank for the suggestion; if the problems continue, I just might.
for now.. aside from the video camera idea, I think I’m going to leave things alone, and hope they settle down: I try to pick my battles carefully, and this one doesn’t seem like it’s worth the effort, overall.

~sigh~
It’s hell to get old

Apricot · December 9, 2007, 4:03am

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]
It’s hell to get old

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The only thing worse than getting old is the alternative.

<500 posts in ~8 years isn’t too bad. Don’t rib me, I’ll never talk, not that it’ll make much difference around here.

wring · December 9, 2007, 4:30am

[QUOTE=Apricot]

<500 posts in ~8 years isn’t too bad. Don’t rib me, I’ll never talk, not that it’ll make much difference around here.
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not ribbing -just -

Amazed you remembered password, paid up for that little activity,

wondered what attracts you to the threads you **do ** post to.

Cattitude · December 9, 2007, 4:49am

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]
Thank for the suggestion; if the problems continue, I just might.
for now.. aside from the video camera idea, I think I’m going to leave things alone, and hope they settle down: I try to pick my battles carefully, and this one doesn’t seem like it’s worth the effort, overall.

~sigh~
It’s hell to get old

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FTR,
I think Debby sucks old goat balls. I’m thinking nasty vibes about her from NY, for her and her rotten, evil spawn. I hope they leave you alone

drachillix · December 9, 2007, 7:21am

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]
Thank for the suggestion; if the problems continue, I just might.
for now.. aside from the video camera idea, I think I’m going to leave things alone, and hope they settle down: I try to pick my battles carefully, and this one doesn’t seem like it’s worth the effort, overall.

~sigh~
It’s hell to get old

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If you have a little technosaavy you can get wireless webcams that you could prop up in windows facing the yard. Several software options for monitoring.

Call police, when they refuse to press charges:

Post video of ingrateful white trash larvae to youtube.

Call your city councilman/mayor/DA/police cheif/whatever and ask why this is acceptable, email them the youtube link.

Have a friend videotape the “discussions” with the Queen of the Meth Whores, from a discreet angle/distance.

Never confront any of them alone again to reduce the storytelling on her part without friendly witnesses to back you up. Sounds like a neighbor across the street could get decent video and audio with the kinda drama this woman stirs up.

Hostile_Dialect · December 9, 2007, 8:41am

Oh man. That sucks that you’re having this shit forced down your throat.

What I’m wondering, though, is this: Why don’t you get in touch with a reporter at the local newspaper? Surely they’ll be interested in a story about how the local police have no interest in either protecting or serving when it’s not convenient, and that they blocked your attempt to press charges on someone who assaulted you.

joyfool · December 9, 2007, 9:59am

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]
Manitowoc
And I think I just might break out the old video camera.. hasn’t since any use since the wife and I..erm.. nevermind .. and keep it by the door as suggested.
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Ok, this right here makes you my officially favorite new member on the Dope. Dear Og, I hope to be only half as feisty as you are now, let alone at some unforeseen time in the future. Dude, you do indeed rock and I have no doubt that you’ll get totally righteous on her ass. She’ll barely have time to wonder what what hit her. Here’s to you and Mrs. justanoldvet. Y’all take care and ROCK ON!

Canadiangirl · December 9, 2007, 1:49pm

My two cents: these kids, as they get bigger, will get more dangerous. No consequences to their actions; likewise with crazy woman who calls herself mom. I can see picking your battles carefully give your situation. However, be prepared as well.

But looks like some of the Dopers are willing to step in. I say, we invade your house with Dopers and all their good weapons, er, ideas.

Dopers, combined with a former Navy SEAL, crazy Debby, and the rotten kids…Debby and the kids don’t stand a chance. They’ll be packing and moving the same day!!!

I’m also a fan of contacting local newspaper. Even to do a story on Mr & Mrs. Justanoldvet…and injuries occuring from a disagreement from crazy lady.

norinew · December 9, 2007, 3:22pm

Oh, man, that whole situation sucks donkey balls! I think you are handling it with grace and aplomb (I think one must be a retired SEAL to handle aplomb properly and safely ).

I do agree, though, that the kids who are doing this crap now are likely to move to really bad shit as they get older. Therefore, you need to do what you can to stop them (or at least get them out of your neighborhood). Consider calling the media and see if you can get a “human interest” story out of it.

BTW, I’m of the humble opinion that a lot of young adult criminal activity could be headed off at the pass if the freakin’ system would treat childhood criminal activity seriously. My oldest daughter is 20, and she’s a mess! She had three different run-ins with the law before she turned 18. Each time, I begged them to throw the book at her as hard as they could, in hopes she would learn something. They wouldn’t do it because she was “a minor”. :rolleyes: I still wonder if things might have been better for her by now if they had bothered then. Not that I’m blaming them for her being a mess, but I think it’s a factor.

details available on request, but trust me, you probably don’t want to know.

MidnightRadio · December 9, 2007, 4:36pm

I remember you posting about your daughter’s troubles in the past, norinew. Have things gotten better for her?

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 4:41pm

[QUOTE=Hostile Dialect]
Oh man. That sucks that you’re having this shit forced down your throat.

What I’m wondering, though, is this: Why don’t you get in touch with a reporter at the local newspaper? Surely they’ll be interested in a story about how the local police have no interest in either protecting or serving when it’s not convenient, and that they blocked your attempt to press charges on someone who assaulted you.
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The biggest story at the moment round here is the firing of the Police Chief and two officers for “lying to investigators” , which uncovered all kinds of malfeasance: this is too small to warrant anyone’s attention, I suspect.

This is wonderful, ya know?
I posted more-or-less just to vent my spleen. Expected nothing more than that cathartic release, really. What I got was a host of suggestions, some more ..reasonable.. than others ;).. support and friendship.
This is a good place, with good people.
Well Met

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 4:47pm

[QUOTE=faithfool]
Ok, this right here makes you my officially favorite new member on the Dope. Dear Og, I hope to be only half as feisty as you are now, let alone at some unforeseen time in the future. Dude, you do indeed rock and I have no doubt that you’ll get totally righteous on her ass. She’ll barely have time to wonder what what hit her. Here’s to you and Mrs. justanoldvet. Y’all take care and ROCK ON!
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A short period of time ago I had major re constructive surgery to my face and jaw, and as usual, I ignored 90% of the advice given by the medical types. The main surgeon turned to Mrs. Justanoldvet and said " He’s probably the most dynamic patient I have"
The wife, without missing a beat, said " Oh, he’s DAMNED dynamic alright!"

Then they proceeded to swap stories about me as if I wasn’t in the room. I tell ya.. she keeps me in line

Thank you my new found friend!
My best to you, and the rest of the Dopers!

Rick · December 9, 2007, 5:00pm

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]
support and friendship.
This is a good place, with good people.
Well Met
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Support and Friendship? Yes we have that in stock, just got a new shipment yesterday in fact.
You will find that we are a little different here than many other places on the 'net. We do give support and friendship to those that need it. We also have a bunch of really smart people here, and even more funny ones.
One word or warning, if you see a bunch of strange looking people coming up your driveway leading a goat, and pushing a large tank with a big ass squid in it, don’t worry. It is just the local welcoming committee from the SDMB.

Any chance we could get your wife to join? I’m guessing she has better stories than you do.

BTW have you ever heard the joke about the little kids in school and family trueisms?

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 5:07pm

[QUOTE=norinew]
Oh, man, that whole situation sucks donkey balls! I think you are handling it with grace and aplomb (I think one must be a retired SEAL to handle aplomb properly and safely ).

I do agree, though, that the kids who are doing this crap now are likely to move to really bad shit as they get older. Therefore, you need to do what you can to stop them (or at least get them out of your neighborhood). Consider calling the media and see if you can get a “human interest” story out of it.

BTW, I’m of the humble opinion that a lot of young adult criminal activity could be headed off at the pass if the freakin’ system would treat childhood criminal activity seriously. My oldest daughter is 20, and she’s a mess! She had three different run-ins with the law before she turned 18. Each time, I begged them to throw the book at her as hard as they could, in hopes she would learn something. They wouldn’t do it because she was “a minor”. :rolleyes: I still wonder if things might have been better for her by now if they had bothered then. Not that I’m blaming them for her being a mess, but I think it’s a factor.

details available on request, but trust me, you probably don’t want to know.
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I agree wholeheartedly!
When the guy-next-door and I were talking about this last night, he made the comment
" it’s a shame, but those kids are already a lost cause. In a few years, we will be paying for their room and board in a cell". He’s undoubtedly correct. Back in my day, if a kid got out of line, damn near -any- adult would step in. now, everyone is afraid to, what with lawsuits and the permissive culture. What I mean is.. well.. here’s an example from my own youth, way back when:

I was about seven or so, and shoplifted a twinkie ( back in those days they came in single packages). The store clerk caught me, and boxed my ears, then called the cops, whom turned me over to the nuns. They had me kneeling on split peas for hours.. THEN I had to work at the store to pay for the Twinkie ) that I never even got, mind you! ) Thus ended my career as a criminal.

contrast that to what would happen today.
( ok.. a piss poor example, but hopefully you get what I am saying )

The guy next door , I discovered last night, caught the oldest boy attempting to give his Chocolate Lab some hamburger with ground glass in it last year. Police were called. The net result was the little bastard had to write an apology letter, and work for 15 hours at the animal shelter during 90 days of probation. That’s it. Hardly what I would call a deterrent, especially considering this was, according to guy-next-door, the kid’s FOURTH criminal charge at least one involving cruelty to animals (seems he also poured kerosene on some stray cat and lit it on fire ) . ( I had no idea about any of this until last night )

Mrs. Justanoldvet , being the kind soul she is, actually feels sorry for the kid(s). Her opinion is that they act out in these ways as a cry for help. Help they are all too clearly NOT getting. Personally, I have no sympathy in my soul for anyone that would hurt my dog(s) ( whom we view as four legged children ). Had I caught anyone, I don’t give a damn how old, attempting to feed them ground glass, THEY would have eaten it. No, I am not joking. I am a cruel, pitiless, merciless son of a bitch under some circumstances: I figure anyone that does that is unworthy of sympathy, and should, frankly, be removed from the herd.

( I’m not wishing anything against you child. Obviously I don’t know the specifics, nor are such my business. Nor am I judging you or her in any way: I’m saying in THIS SPECIFIC situation, I find it beyond my ability to feel sorry for the kids. I can understand the wife’s “cry for help” theory.. but there are limits. They have crossed them in torturing animals, in my opinion. )

You can BET we are being EXTREMELY careful with Max and Phantom

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 5:13pm

Rick:
Support and Friendship? Yes we have that in stock, just got a new shipment yesterday in fact.
You will find that we are a little different here than many other places on the 'net. We do give support and friendship to those that need it. We also have a bunch of really smart people here, and even more funny ones.
One word or warning, if you see a bunch of strange looking people coming up your driveway leading a goat, and pushing a large tank with a big ass squid in it, don’t worry. It is just the local welcoming committee from the SDMB.

~checks to make sure I did not post my address~
~ makes sure the lights are out and the door is locked~

Welcoming committee? My, how nice!

Any chance we could get your wife to join? I’m guessing she has better stories than you do.

Thank gods she is way too busy!
( Besides.. she’s sworn to secrecy )

BTW have you ever heard the joke about the little kids in school and family trueisms?

nope.. do tell …

Rick · December 9, 2007, 5:38pm

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]
nope.. do tell …
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(This is my favorite SEAL joke)
So this elementary school teacher tells her class that they are to go home and discuss with their parents and come up with a family truism. Something like don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
The next day the teacher asks for a show of hands of who has a story. Mary, Jane and little Johnny all raise their hand.
The teacher calls on Mary
“Well we raise chickens for eggs, and one Saturday I collected all the eggs and put them in one big basket, and put the basket into the truck, so we could sell them at the farmer’s market.
On the way to market, we hit a bad pothole and the basket turned over and broke almost all the eggs.
The moral of this story and way we say around our house is don’t put all your eggs in one basket. If we had used two baskets we still would have had some eggs left.”
“Very good Mary, what about your story Jane?” asked the teacher.
“Well my father went to paint the floor in the barn and he started painting at the doorway, and he painted and painted, and when he got to the corner, he found he could not get out until the paint dried.
So in my family we always say don’t paint yourself into a corner.”
“That’s excellent Jane, what about you Johnny?”
“Well teacher, my uncle Bob was a SEAL in Vietnam. One time he was in a Hurky Bird and it got hit by a ground to air missile and he had to bail out. All he got out with was his parachute, his rifle, his sidearm, a knife and a bottle of booze. Uncle Bob was worried that the bottle might break when he landed, so he drank the bottle of booze on the way down.
When he landed, as luck would have it, a 20 man NVA patrol was nearby and he got into a fire fight with them. Uncle Bob managed to kill 10 NVA before he ran out of rifle ammo. He then killed 7 more with his sidearm before he ran out of ammo for that weapon. Uncle Bob pulled his knife and killed two more with his knife. Unfortunately, the knife blade broke as he killed the 2 solider with it. As the last NVA attacked him Uncle Bob killed him with his bare hands.”
“OH my lord, that’s horrible, what family saying could come from that?” Asked the teacher
“Don’t fuck with Uncle Bob when he has been drinking.” Replied little Johnny

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 5:44pm

[QUOTE=Rick]
(This is my favorite SEAL joke)
So this elementary school teacher tells her class that they are to go home and discuss with their parents and come up with a family truism. Something like don’t count your chickens before they hatch.
The next day the teacher asks for a show of hands of who has a story. Mary, Jane and little Johnny all raise their hand.
The teacher calls on Mary
“Well we raise chickens for eggs, and one Saturday I collected all the eggs and put them in one big basket, and put the basket into the truck, so we could sell them at the farmer’s market.
On the way to market, we hit a bad pothole and the basket turned over and broke almost all the eggs.
The moral of this story and way we say around our house is don’t put all your eggs in one basket. If we had used two baskets we still would have had some eggs left.”
“Very good Mary, what about your story Jane?” asked the teacher.
“Well my father went to paint the floor in the barn and he started painting at the doorway, and he painted and painted, and when he got to the corner, he found he could not get out until the paint dried.
So in my family we always say don’t paint yourself into a corner.”
“That’s excellent Jane, what about you Johnny?”
“Well teacher, my uncle Bob was a SEAL in Vietnam. One time he was in a Hurky Bird and it got hit by a ground to air missile and he had to bail out. All he got out with was his parachute, his rifle, his sidearm, a knife and a bottle of booze. Uncle Bob was worried that the bottle might break when he landed, so he drank the bottle of booze on the way down.
When he landed, as luck would have it, a 20 man NVA patrol was nearby and he got into a fire fight with them. Uncle Bob managed to kill 10 NVA before he ran out of rifle ammo. He then killed 7 more with his sidearm before he ran out of ammo for that weapon. Uncle Bob pulled his knife and killed two more with his knife. Unfortunately, the knife blade broke as he killed the 2 solider with it. As the last NVA attacked him Uncle Bob killed him with his bare hands.”
“OH my lord, that’s horrible, what family saying could come from that?” Asked the teacher
“Don’t fuck with Uncle Bob when he has been drinking.” Replied little Johnny

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HOOOYAAAA!

Grits_and_Hard_Toast · December 9, 2007, 7:25pm

[QUOTE=justanoldvet]

The guy next door , I discovered last night, caught the oldest boy attempting to give his Chocolate Lab some hamburger with ground glass in it last year. Police were called. The net result was the little bastard had to write an apology letter, and work for 15 hours at the animal shelter during 90 days of probation. That’s it. Hardly what I would call a deterrent, especially considering this was, according to guy-next-door, the kid’s FOURTH criminal charge at least one involving cruelty to animals (seems he also poured kerosene on some stray cat and lit it on fire ) . ( I had no idea about any of this until last night )…
You can BET we are being EXTREMELY careful with Max and Phantom
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I will join the others in thanking for your service, and hating that you and Mrsjustanoldvet ( I am dyslexic and originally ready your name as “just a violet,” and thought you were a shy woman) have to deal with this situation.

I can understand your desire to handle this your own way, and not involve the authorities, since that has not worked. But I wondered while reading about the latest revelation about your neighbor’s dog, if you might consider some kind of block watch with your neighbors?

I would certainly want to know if a neighbor of mine had had kids from down the street try to kill his dog. And you mentioned the slashed tires, and broken windows of a former neighbor, I would want to know if that was going on near me, so I might park my car in the garage and make sure I was better about looking my doors.

Even the stolen mail. Any idea why they did it? The other neighbors should be alerted that their mail could be stolen as well. Recently some of my neighbors and I were victims of identity theft, made possible by someone in the area stealing our mail.

Any chance someone in the neighborhood could call a meeting so you all could share what you know about these kids and their mom? It does sound like the kids are just going to continue to think they can get away with things, since they have been able to this long. You might find by all meeting together, that others had a dog mysteriously die, or have had their propery vandalized, and never knew who did it.

I know if I lived in the area, I would want to know the potentical danger my pets were in, or that I could have my mail stolen. And I would really want my husband to know that if he, like you, thought telling the parents of kids who caused trouble for us would be a workable idea, that he might be smashed in the head by a bat weilding, crazy woman by just approaching her house.

It sounds like you have three little time bombs, and one big time bomb, waiting to go off. If the authorities won’t help you, at least you and your neighbors could make yourselves safer by watching out for each other.

Knocking over a planter is one thing, but setting a cat on fire, and trying get a dog to eat broken glass really does take this to the next very scary level.

You and Mrsjustanoldvet sound like you are doing a great job of looking after each other. But there are likely other neighbors that don’t have anyone looking after them. Maybe you could find a way to let the others know what is going on and the message could get out that if the punk kids mess with ANY of you, then they will be answering to ALL of you.

Best of luck dealing with this sitaution. It really is starting to sound quite serious.

justanoldvet · December 9, 2007, 8:37pm

[QUOTE=Grits and Hard Toast]
I will join the others in thanking for your service, and hating that you and Mrsjustanoldvet ( I am dyslexic and originally ready your name as “just a violet,” and thought you were a shy woman) have to deal with this situation.