Creepy?
If someone gave you flowers, you’d shove em down the garbage disposal just to be on the safe side, wouldn’t you?
“It is required of every man,” the Ghost returned, "that the spirit within him should walk abroad among his fellowmen, and travel far and wide…
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“Oh! captive, bound, and double-ironed,” cried the phantom, “not to know, that ages of incessant labour, by immortal creatures, for this earth must pass into eternity before the good of which it is susceptible is all developed. Not to know that any Christian spirit working kindly in its little sphere, whatever it may be, will find its mortal life too short for its vast means of usefulness. Not to know that no space of regret can make amends for one life’s opportunity misused! Yet such was I! Oh! such was I!”
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“Business!” cried the Ghost, wringing its hands again. “Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were, all, my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!”
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“At this time of the rolling year,” the spectre said “I suffer most. Why did I walk through crowds of fellow-beings with my eyes turned down, and never raise them to that blessed Star which led the Wise Men to a poor abode! Were there no poor homes to which its light would have conducted me!”
RO? No, I don’t think so.
It’s more that I find it extremely odd that while the rest of the developed world has managed to live pretty comfortably with their various UHS’s, there are some in the US who are being wilfully obtuse about even entertaining the very idea.
Methinks that speaks more voluminously about you than it does my motives dear. I care that many people in your great country are unable to access even basic medical treatment whilst for those of us who have embraced a UHS, such a scenario is non-existent. Sure, there are always shortcomings and flaws in the system, but I know that if I have an accident, a heart attack, a plantar wart or a fit of depression, the med system will be there to help me through, at no cost. I pay my Medicare dues, and I reap the benefits. I see such a system as, y’know, normal, just like I view democracy nowadays. I couldn’t imagine living any way else, and I can’t imagine why you would have objections to it.
Oh, FTR, that was the generic you in the latter part of the paragraph above.
As far as Carol Stream is concerned, I really don’t give a flying fuck. I hope her insurance continues to provide the coverage she needs, but I also pray that she develops a really nasty dose of the clap…tertiary syphyllis, so that it turns out to be a pre-existing condition! Hehe. 
For some people, their objection to any form of UHC stems from motivated self interest.
This would be the case if they fear that their jobs as useless middle manager pushers of paper and/or deniers of claims would be in jeopardy if a more efficient system were put in place.
I’m sure the makers of horse drawn buggies were all up in arms about how the automobile was inefficient, terrible, and would lead to the destruction of civilization.
Yo sparky, there is a difference between the debt and the deficit, and as an aside, you’re cite says the same thing as Ezra’s blog, which makes sense since both cites are using CBO projections as their source.
You know, every time one of you says something like this, you are just showing how ignorant you are. Do you think that being disabled means we must be confined to bed, unable to do anything at all? And post with “alarming regularity?” (as if it takes any physical strength to sit at a computer…). Before this thread, the last time I posted was 10/24. You alarm easily.
A telemarketer huh. No wonder you don’t seem to be able to understand the term “regularity”. Sorry, I am unable to sit for hours and hours at a time, which you would have a clue about if you had bothered to look at my posting history.
You were claiming that people with pre-existing conditions cannot get insurance, and I pointed out that isn’t true. I am well aware that if they cannot get employer sponsored insurance that it is likely they will have a lot of trouble getting any at all. However, we do not need a UHC to deal with that - the laws have already changed requiring that insurance companies take those with pre-ex in employer plans, it could be changed to require they take all. Or, Medicaid could be extended to those with pre-ex.
I had group insurance while I was still living at the poverty level, so marriage and/or money has little to do with it. Now, if someone just blithers off into the world with their pre-ex and doesn’t plan ahead, that would certainly be their own damn fault, yes?
I don’t believe that I have ever complained about people not having jobs.
I did, and you aren’t. Continuing to state something doesn’t make it suddenly a fact.
Jesus, you’re a stupid bitch.
Hasn’t it been pointed out to you that insurance isn’t affordable to some people, due to no fault of their own?
Ah forget it, you’re too stupid to learn.
The ad hominem’s are the endgame, not the opening game, or even the middle game.
Don’t you get some sort of Gov’t check?
If so, shut the fuck up, ya leech.
Less than a year ago, twatrag. Now go the fuck away from me.
[sub]Poor, poor Carol. She doesn’t seem to be able to try anything new, does she? She’s like a broken record. I only wish my menstrual cycle could be as regular as she is[/sub]
do you know how those laws work, precisely? IIRC, the only way the government “gets away with” forcing employer-sponsored plans to cover pre-existing conditions is that they will not grant a tax deduction to employers who carry plans which do impose pre-existing conditions.
this is hugely different than mandating, not incentivizing, a private insurance company be forced to take all insured. and, again, it has been pointed out that this will create even worse incentives for people to be uninsured until they get sick. having a health system where no one cares for preventive medicine at all because they can get insured at the drop of a hat when shit goes wrong is not wise.
typically, you have to be basically bankrupt to get medicaid. that’s a great solution, you’ve sumbled upon - surrender all of your assets to stay alive!
No offense bro, but when we’re running a deficit already, then every extra dollar gets added to the debt (actually, it’s higher, since there’s service on the debt, ie interest expense). I thought people on this board were sharp, perhaps I’ll spell it out next time.
So my point was, from my original quote, that the person I was quoting said that there was NOTHING that they didn’t like about the healthcare reform being bandied about in Congress by the Democrats. I suggested that a $1t price tag might be a tough pill to swallow for our kids; on top of all the other reckless spending we’re doing now.
If economics and the probable disastrous impact of federal deficit spending is beyond your grasp, then perhaps you’d do us a favor and pipe down?
Ahh yes, I suppose caring would be creepy to a selfish mindset.
I guess if people in Australia lived poverty you wouldn’t bat an eye.
Whoa, that really threw me off. Aren’t you going to call me a cunt or bitchcakes or something 
Just kidding.
On the topic of reducing Medicare costs, check out this article:
This appears to be entirely separate from UHC though, to carry on the tradition of responding with a related though slightly off-target bit of information.
btw- the article also states that the Bush Administration wildly underestimated the level of Medicare fraud. Why? 'cause pubbies are poo-poo heads
FWIW, I am NOT saying I begrudge curlcoat using government resources – that’s what they’re there for. Nor do I think it’s wrong for her to be on disability, if she needs it.
What DOES piss me off is that she seems to think that her case is somehow “different”, and belittles the idea of anyone else getting government aid. The idea of being against UHC, when you are already getting aid from the government seems contradictory at best, and downright fucking hypocritical at worst.
It’s the very definition of RO. It doesn’t affect you in any way whatsoever, but you’re all hepped up about it in the Pit.
I know. This is the Pit, what’s wrong with me?
Hell, once we get reform and government is involved in everybody’s health-care in some way, shape, or form, and it will happen, regardless of what anybody thinks, why have government run health-care for seniors and disabled people (SSI and SSD) and government run health-care for the rest of us (public option, forcing private insurance companies to sell to people with pre-existing conditions and not dropping people for using their insurance too much, and forcing people to buy insurance or get penalized)?
Why not have seniors who can afford it buy into private insurance or the public option, and subsidize those who can’t afford it, and then we could do away with Social Security altogether. It would simplify things, having one plan to cover everybody instead of one plan for seniors and disabled people and another for everybody else, and with a larger pool of people paying into it, it would probably be more solvent, and finally, don’t allow Congress or the President to “borrow” from the public option.
Of course I am not an financial, health, or government expert, and my ideas could be full of shit, but what the hell, I’m putting them out there anyway.
OK, I’ll concede that. Dunno about the hepped up bit though, I thought I was being the very epitome of calm and reason…just goes to show you that how others view us is not always the way we think we are coming across.
But anyway, regardless of whether it is RO or not, there are lots of things that have happened and still happen in this world that cause me concern, and sometimes drive me to anger and tears. Most of them have no direct impact upon MY life or well being, but do indeed affect me because I share kinship with every person on this planet.
Just to give an example or two:
*I am not of Jewish heritage, but the events around WW2 and the Holocaust continue to cause me upset.
*I am not an Australian Aborigine but I am most angry that many of them (particularly in remote areas) continue to live in Third World conditions despite Australia being one of the most economically successful countries in the world.
What you display though Carol, is what is known here as the ‘I’m alright Jack’ syndrome: provided your needs are catered for, everyone else can go fuck 'emselves. At it’s extreme, it is known as sociopathy.
Me, I’ll stick to being Recreationally Outraged when I feel the need.
Sure enough–it’s their own damn fault if they were raped:
Extend Medicaid? That’s extending a government program, which I thought you didn’t care for.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26664727/ns/health-health_care/page/2/
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That also means quite a few states don’t. And in order to get yourself covered, you’d have to pay out much, much more.
Too bad you can’t keep it to MPSIMS, then.