Avatar: Now that you've actually seen it. No spoilers in OP

I’ve only seen this movie once, so I may have missed some of the finer points, but regardless of how the humans landed, their intention was to take the unobtainium one way or another. If force against the “natives” had never crossed their minds, why show up armed to the teeth with a highly trained military?

That’s quite the smug POV. Who are “we” to decide that this “magical valuable substance” will improve the whole of humanity? Who are we to tell another group that their beliefs are superstitions, when we don’t have a clue about them in the first place? The no-brainer here is that we never seem to learn from history.

Space gold, it’s rare, so we make it worth a fortune. And it floats - so maybe a practical use, but it’s not like we hold gold to that standard. Very little gold is mined for practical electronic usage.

This movie had finer points?

I haven’t read all of a thread this size, so I’m just going to throw this in: You don’t need to actually fight craft like that. If you’re riding biologicals, your radar profile is probably below the noticing of the enemy. Just drop a big enough rock into the fan/rotary wing, and you’re done. This hand to hand type combat is only good for stories, not for actually winning with minimal losses. That took me out of the movie a bit.

Oh, how did they actually mate? Those scenes always make me sigh and avert my eyes. Was it the hair tendrils? If so, why did they cover their crotches at every turn?

Oh, someone quoted it before from the Pandora wiki. It’s never explained quite how badly humanity needs it in the film.

No, the tendrils were just used for bonding with local animals and Eywa. Presumably the loincloths covered genitals similar enought to ours that they couldn’t be shown in a PG-13 film. :dubious: Which is actually pretty strange since having them go nude and look like dolls with no external genitalia would’ve raised fewer questions.

Wasn’t there a pregnant-looking Na’vi woman shown in one of the crowd scenes? (don’t remember where, sorry).

If the Na’vi reproductive systems involve live birth of fairly large infants, there’s gotta be an aperture in the female body to get the infant out of, which makes human-style sexually dimorphic genitalia a reasonable assumption.

I’m sure they bond pigtails with their mates while copulating, though. I mean, wouldn’t you?

I gather the concept of a threeway is unknown to them, then.

We don’t know that’s why they showed up. They could have been there originally for scientific and exploratory reasons. In fact considering the implied length of their contact this seems the most likely case. They probably would have stumbled upon the Unobtainium by happenstance. Gradually the corporation will have found out and brought the weapons later to combat the extremely hostile environment and predators, not necessarily the Na’vi, once they decided to subsidize the science while mining the ore. Of course they probably beefed up their arms once they later found that the ore may not be able to be taken diplomatically.

What in the hell are you going on about? You are essentially quoting the entire message of the movie. Yes, the greed and xenophobia of the corporation are bad and they wrongly discredit the Na’vi. Pretty much everyone gets that. What exactly is your point?

Just saw it (in 2D) and quite enjoyed it. Don’t have a lot to add other than this:

How much fucking money is Jim Cameron getting from Big Tobacco? He had Sigourney Weaver smoking for no good reason - the only character who did so. Smoking rates have been declining for years, but will still be around 150 years in the future? His heroes in Titanic both had scenes where they smoked, and his explanation was that he wanted to “show that they were rebels” - exactly the bullshit that the tobacco industry is selling!

You should watch Mad Men. Your head would explode.

I suppose they’d need some sort of router.

Or in sexual terms, a switch.

Should be fairly easy to cut one from a supple tree.

I’m not sure. Would my partner be put off by how much time I spend thinking about old people eating oatmeal towards the end?

Maybe smoking came back into fashion when we figured out how to cure cancer and grow replacement lungs in biotanks.

Haven’t you ever seen “Thank You For Smoking”? It’s all explained there.

“We’ll just make up a line: It’s a good thing they invented the whatever.”

That’s what I leaned over to my wife and said when she lit up. I think it’s the only time I spoke the whole film.

Such a pity that you didn’t stick to your original assessment of

A pity for the rest of us reading the thread, I mean.

She smoked in Cameron’s Aliens, too, and the first thing Sergeant Apone did in that movie after coming out of hypersleep was put a cigar in his mouth. I don’t personally think it’s that big a deal.

Go stick a finger in a lightsocket.

Well, she smoked in the first Alien. Almost every character did, except for Jonesy.