Avatar on DVD: What Did You Think? [Spoilers]

So Avatar is finally on DVD and after missing it in the theaters I finally sat down to watch it.

My god was it terrible.

Perhaps it was a self-fulfilling prophecy as I wasn’t impressed by the trailers at all, but this is definitely the worst movie the King of the World has ever made.

Yes, it was very pretty. Even on my (not especially large) 27" flatscreen. But that doesn’t make up for the fact that goes on forever and that the whole thing doesn’t make any sense.

I mean, a bunch of ten-foot tall cat people are being attacked by the big bad army (and for shame that no one suggested to nuke them from orbit) and they’re horribly outgunned. Bows and arrows would never be able to compete against a heavily armored helicopter even with the home field advantage.

But wait, the blue people have The Force (don’t kid yourself, it’s The Force) and then they pray to god to help them win and because they have a physical manifestation of god (which should have caused more than one deserter among the army) they win the day.

But first a giant robot has to fight a blue person in a knife fight. Why would a giant robot even have a giant knife?

But the biggest headscratcher was the Navi’s acceptance of the Avatars. They know that the Avatars are basically just walking, talking robots with a person mentally controlling them somewhere else and yet they don’t find anything weird about this.

I can understand why it made so much money, but why in god’s name was it so critically praised?

Yeah, I absolutely loved it at the theater in 3D. I think I (and probably a lot of other people) was high on the visuals. On a big screen in 3D it was amazing. After a few months to come down from the high, though, I have no interest in buying the DVD. The movie is just not that good in my opinion.

Are you specifically asking what people think about the DVD version? If not, I would imagine they all feel pretty much the same as they did in the original review thread from just a few months ago.

But thanks for the reminder that it’s’ now out on DVD; I still need to get my copy. The one I bought in December is pre-production and you can still see the wires in some places.

Because A) It looked spectacular and B) It had an incredibly trendy, PC message. (I loved the visuals but hated the film, FWIW).

I was hoping for more people like me, who’ve only seen now that it’s on DVD. But also people’s opinions on theater vs DVD. Because I imagine I would have liked it slightly better on the big screen, but still not enough to think it’s good.

O… K…?

I saw it in 3D, which I think made a difference, as that aspect was done so well, especially when blended with the spectacular visual.

I am also going to wait for the super-duper DVD with all the special features, which is expected to be out for Christmas.

So I just popped it back in and I didn’t find myself having a big issue with some of the points you raised. Your overall tone seems to be one of derision so it might be hard for you to see a different take but I’ll give it a shot:

No, it wasn’t. :slight_smile:

Yes they bore a vague resemblance to cats, but they looked a lot more like humans. They had to look like something. I don’t think turtle people would have been as well received.

I think one of the replies in the other thread fits: they didn’t have army tech, but they had a different kind of high tech. Just as bad-ass and they ended up winning maybe because it was a near-even tech fight plus they had the home court advantage plus they had several defectors (some working on the inside) who knew the hit back at their own big bad army.

Specific examples of this? You’ve seen the movie more recently than I, so I assume I’m forgetting something that was a rip-off of Jedi force powers.

In so much as I had to suspend disbelief in order to watch and enjoy any sci-fi movie, I didn’t have a problem with this either. Did they ever actually refer to the planet life force thingy as a deity? Or are you doing that as a ridicule?

I thought it was an interesting concept that a planet could be sentient or self-aware and interconnected with all of the microorganisms roaming around on and in it. Sometimes I like to think that my white blood cells are fighting off a big bad ass army when I’m sick. Then I’ll take some amoxicillin and listen as they all shout “deus ex machina!!”

A blue cat person. Come on, pay attention!

You had a problem with the big-ass knife but not the big-ass machine gun? Maybe a knife would be an even better tool for a mecha-suit to slash its way through a jungle planet. Not to be snarky, but this is what happens when the writers put more effort into a movie than the viewers do.

Did they really know this? I remember the Navi just being sort of befuddled or puzzled when one of the avatars dropped unconscious because of its human controller waking up back at base.

In fact, now that I think about it, seems like the Navi didn’t quite grasp this because they always kept poking at the avatar to “wake up”. If they really understood that the controlling human had left the chamber or otherwise disconnected from its avatar, they would have known that no amount of poking and shaking was going to wake it up.

I think this was the movie that got 3-D back into theaters in a big way. And the attention to detail was especially amazing.

I don’t know where it was critically praised, so I can’t speak to that. But an 82 on rotten tomatoes, while pretty good, doesn’t even get it into the top 100.

Your complaints are without merit.

As I said in a previous thread, they were arrows the size of javelins fired by creatures twice the size of a man, and even then, they just glanced off until the Na’vi started using diving attack runs to maximise the chance of penetrating the bullet-resistant canopy.

It’s not The Force, as you would know if you had been paying the slightest bit of attention to the central plot of the movie. They didn’t pray to a manifestation of god, they prayed to a big, weird creature that they mistook for a god.

Why not? There’s no real downside to carrying one, if you’re already using the sort of intuitive control interface that would let the pilot use it effectively.

I’ve seen the movie in Imax 3D and on DVD just last night. The DVD doesn’t really even compete with the theater 3d version. So apples and oranges. Plot wise it’s Pocahontas meets Quake. Best depiction of Sarge" ever.

It was long though and too much time spent on drawing out the lush environs when the effort could be better spent on character development. The protagonist was too rough around the edges at the start. While by the end, joining up with the “Kitty Critter Folk” was unconvincing when it could have been well developed. No one goes from “jar head” to hippy that quickly and completely.

Big mechs need big knives and big guns. Sarge died true to his character. It had to be and without all that jazz the story would not be as interesting for guys who like a good explosion to keep the movie rolling along.

The 3D is a big part of this movie and without that, it’s little more than an also ran. It’s worth it to see in 3D in a good theater. Without that, it’s a nice movie to spend time with someone you like.

The Navi specifically tell Sully that everything on Pandora is connected by a force. Which is exactly how The Force works in Star Wars

The Navi referred to it as their ancestors, but the army did specifically call it a deity several times.

Except that didn’t happen because the Navi said it was impossible. But then it did! On a much tinier and much less realistic scale.

Except, that’s not what we were shown at all. The mech suits were only used by the military and always came with a big-ass machine gun. Therefore, they’re battle suits. Slashing through the jungle shouldn’t be necessary.

The Navi called the Avatars “dreamwalkers” and “puppets”. They knew what was going on even if they didn’t know the exact mechanism for how a person transfers their mind to an Avatar.

A big, weird creature that is connected to every other living thing on the planet and is also a direct pipeline to the souls of their dead relatives. That’s not god? Christ, that’s practically the definition of god.

And The Force for that matter.

Me again, the guy who can find something to like in every movie. I’ve watched the Blu-Ray about five times, and I still love it. Without the 3D, the images are brighter and seem more crisp, and it’s comparable to the best Blu-Rays I have (e.g., the Ultimate Blade Runner edition). What I like: the incredible, consistent and detailed art direction, the innovative facial motion capture, and another standard-setting blending of live action and CGI.

Despite my happily suspending disbelief, I have a tendency to zero in on the interactions between CGI and real images, to both see if the directions of motion are consistent and if they synchronize the motions from different camera “angles.” Just look at the charging hammerhead/rhinos when they attack the guys in exoskeletons. I thought that was wonderful.

Animals had odd little features that people labored to make consistent. An example: the humongous Thanator that approaches Neytiri near the end. It had a weird flap of skin over its snout that changed shape depending on whether it was snarling or not, a detail they didn’t need to add, but someone did, and they made it make sense.

And when Jake appears as Tupac Shakur (or whatever that name was), you could see “extras” mouthing his name as he walked out among them.

Also, I haven’t seen Fern Gully or Dances with Wolves, and I subscribe to the idea that there are just a small number of fundamentally different stories, and that the skill is in how the stories are told. I’ve also long since stopped paying attention to plot elements that seem to support political or environmental messages. Yes, Sky People are bad because they didn’t respect Mother Earth, but I just focused on that as an element that made Jake’s fears so strong.

Really, I just loved seeing scenes such as dozens of Na’Vi on their little dragons, clinging to rocks and launching themselves into battle, and the really beautiful plant life.

However, I do have some nits. When the dragon things grabbed the Scorpions out of the sky and swung them around, it seems that their rotors’ angular momentum would have had them whip around in different directions, but then again, they had counter-rotating blades, so maybe that’s how it would really look. And “Meals on Wheels” doesn’t seem like a phrase that will still be in use 400 years from now, nor will it be likely that Jake would have “dissected a frog once,” since we’re already going to virtual frogs for that. Also, Jake should have had a little 20-second scene where he clearly shows the Na’Vi what the Scorpions look like, and how they needed to shoot only at that one, critical spot – the pilot inside the canopy, from an angle as close to normal as possible. And the big lander ship (containing the explosives) – blowing out one engine could and should make the ship wildly unstable for a few moments, but a real ship would have an automatic system to drop the thrust on the opposite engine and re-stabilize it (or something like that). It could still go out of whack and crash into things, but I’d like to have seen some activity from some sort of redundant system. I guess there’s just no pleasing me :).

I guess I’ll go away now – I think I’ll watch G.I. Joe, because the redhead is really hot and I like Brendan Fraser’s cameo.

Saw it in the theatre back in December. Nothing really resonated with me the first time around and I was somewhat bored and annoyed by it.
Picked up the dvd yesterday since there was a good deal on it at the grocery store ($16 and a free box of microwave popcorn and box of milkduds) and my son hadn’t seen it yet.
Some of the things I forgot about that annoyed me:

-Sully the protagonist. He annoyed me from the get go. In particular the scene where Sigourney was putting him in the sleep chamber and told him to keep his head down. He kept raising his head like a wrestless 4 year-old. I just wanted to say “dude, keep your f’n head down”. Then when he enters his avatar body and the docs are trying to keep him sitting down he totally ignores them and breaks out. Great, now I hate this guy.

-The na’vi were really ugly. If this is your main alien race in a film you’d think they’d make them appealing. For all of Star Wars faults at least every new character made you say “wow, they look cool”. The na’vi were just not appealing at all. Especially when they tried to give the avatars their hosts features. A Sigourney Weaver avatar? Gross. And the main female na’vi reminded me of Tyra Banks. I can not stand her and couldn’t get past this.

-The horendous na’vi soundtrack. That generic Africa music last used in The Lion King. Pan flutes, drums, and gospel singers. Great for a disney flick from 1992. For a sci-fi 2009 flick come up with something new for og’s sake. Ahhhhhh-Tapengaaaaa!

-My favorite characters were actually Giovanni Ribisi and the General guy. I liked these guys. And you’re supposed to hate the bad guys.

Dude, it totally makes sense…if you’ve seen Ferngully. And Dances with Wolves.

Horseshit.

Ditto

  1. Way too long.
  2. Way too “Dances With Wolves”.
  3. Way to P.C.

meh

I just saw it on DVD. I didn’t see it in the theater, and it has really made me want to go see it in 3D. I liked the story. Sure it’s been told before, but that fact didn’t ruin it for me as most stories have been told in one form or another before.

Anyone know if there will be a 3D version out on DVD anytime? I really dislike going to theaters (too many disruptions ruin it for me) but I’d really like to see it in 3D.

I thought the natives were too perfect. It was almost Disney how picturesque they were. And the evil white capitalists of the future were more cartoon caricatures than characters.

The very definition of a mediocre film. Not good. Not bad. Just meh. It wasn’t in the same league as Aliens or Terminator 2, not even as good as True Lies. One of Cameron’s worst films.

Wow, tough crowd. I just saw it tonight on DVD with my son, who bought it on Friday as a surprise. I thought it was visually astonishing and I enjoyed the story, too, so there.

And I now really, really, really want my own four-winged dragon thing.