Lol. I was thinking the same thing at the end.
I mean, dude already did 1/16th of a heel face turn with “son, come with me!” All we need is a Greater Evil that threatens Na’vi and his boy and he’d come around, protect the kid, maybe even switch sides. Or him and Na’vi are hated allies in a greater struggle, which is kind of a theme w Cameron.
It kind of writes itself:
- Jarhead: I’ll help you wipe out that shit
- Sully: let’s do this
- Mrs Sully: we can’t believe that skxawng! Are you fucking kidding me?
- Kiri: Mooooom! Eywa trusts him!
Should we still be doing spoilers? @Mahaloth
Yeah, to your point: Jarhead isn’t just Cal Hockley. Like all of us, I’ve seen enough movies to get the beats and there’s just a little too much time spent on him for Jarhead to remain a villain for the entire series. And now that his son is among the Nav’i? It’s pretty much guaranteed.
I guess I don’t care. Fly free, spoilers!
Am I the only one who was a little unclear on just how long our Na’Vi heroes could hold their breath underwater?
I just came back from watching it and I was, underwhelmed, maybe? The plot had more complexity than the previous one, which was good, but the visuals, although very nice, did not entrance me like the first one did. The novelty of it all has worn off, and without a strong story it did not, of itself, move me. There were some touching moments, but there was also way too much narration. It did not even make sense to have it. In the first one you have the conceit that he is supposed to keep a log, but in this one? As others have mentioned, it felt too long, and just like the world cup final this year it took a a while to get really interesting.
Overall, it was fine, but I do not know if I will watch again.
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Another thing I just thought of: why are Jake and the Na’Vi still referring to humans as “Sky People?” Jake knows exactly who they are and where they’re from. Maybe Cameron decided “Earthlings” wasn’t scary enough?
Jake went Na’Vi and is now using their terms. It’s pretty simple.
Also, it is probably similar to how other words enter language, it is pronounced a certain way, but the historical reasons are lost after a while.
Speaking of Na’Vi, I watched the film at an Alamo Roadhouse and they had a tongue-n-cheek video called previously on Avatar which was partially sponsored by Old Na’Vi:
Don’t watch if you haven’t seen the first film as it contains spoilers.
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Anyone getting a sense of what kind of word-of-mouth the movie is getting heading into its second weekend?
While my experience is obviously just mine, this thread is the only place in my online haunts I’ve seen the film mentioned aside from a single Facebook post settling if anyone has seen it yet and is it worth it.
My daughter is 23 and loved the first one when it came out. She is the perfect audience for the film. She loved this one. I enjoyed the theater experience of the first one and it was the same for this one. The plot was thin. There were some things that made my eyes roll hard. Overall I enjoyed the experience. I found the visuals well done and amazing. I probably will have no desire to watch it on a tv screen. If you have any thought about seeing it I would suggest watching it on the largest screen available.
In the beginning they were all speaking Na’Vi then they did a little trick to turn it into English so we didn’t have to read subtitles for 3 hours. The idea stolen from Hunt For Red October no doubt. They don’t call humans sky people they call them whatever Na’Vi word is for sky people. Why would they change it? Did we start calling Germans Deutschers because we found out they don’t call themselves Germans?
an interesting observation that reflects how I felt about the first one. I can’t believe this franchise came from the same director of Titanic. I HATED Avatar. It had a preachy childish plot that was made worse by the poorly executed use of 3D.
Warning - movie curmudgeon alert
I won’t see it in theaters for the same reason. To me, movies are all about a good plot fed by a good script and delivered by good actors. CGI should be a secondary background polish to the main attributes of a movie and not a face-slapping over-indulgence. For all practical purposes they should put out a silent version of this movie set to a Pink Floyd album. Throw in some lasers and sell buttered popcorn topped with “oregano”.
With that said, for those who like movies with a lot of CGI this one should be a real crowd-pleaser.
The winter storm in the Midwest is going to lower the attendance because of the bitter cold. The following week should see more people.
I did go see it and it was, once again, a preachy, meh plot with stunning visuals. It is too long by half. It seems James Cameron figured if he went to all this work to craft this spectacle he damn well was going to show it to you…at length.
That said, the theater experience is worthwhile if only for the 3D (if you see it in 3D which I recommend). I know 3D is a gimmick that never works out well. But it does here. Hands-down the best 3D I have ever seen in a movie and it is a treat to see.
But, it is 3 hours long and movie tickets are expensive for such a bleh story. If you are seeing something else at the theater, get your hands on some 3D glasses and sneak into the theater showing Avatar if only to gawk at it for a couple minutes.
Was any of the 3D done in first person? The first movie did it as scenes OF the flying creatures instead of FROM the view of the riders. Basically it lost the closeup view needed for 3D to “pop”.
And 3 hrs. Yikes. I would need an aisle seat.
I only just liked the original and that was after seeing it again recently after not thinking about it for ten years but I absolutely loved this one. One catch though, we didn’t get to see the end. With maybe fifteen minutes of movie left there was a fire alarm in the Mall where the theater is and we had to evacuate. Off to Wikipedia I guess…
Same question to you Quimby. What was the perspective view when in 3D? Was it 3rd person looking at a distance or 1st person up close? This is where the 1st movie fell flat in the use of 3D (IMO). Whack-a-Mole said it was better. I’m just wondering if Cameron figured it out.