…yeah, it really did.
I did get it, but I suspect that people are getting bored of this conversation now, so I’ll leave it at that.
Re the Girl power scene.
The objection to it is that it’s clear pandering and does not make sense in context. You have a bunch of fighters, who basically don’t know each other assemble for one task. In the middle of fighting. :smack:
Which means that they abandoned whatever other task they were doing.
In the scheme of the storyline, its ridiculous. Compare and contrast with probably the best fight scene in Infiniti War, also all female, when Scarlett Witch, Nat and Okoye fight the presumably female Proxima Midnight. It was good because it developed organically.
There have been plenty of all male grouping which have been failed and been criticized for being pandering and servicey.
See for instance the Game of Thrones episode with the commando squad beyond the wall.
Again I feel I must add that this is a comic book movie, ripped directly from the pages of comic books, using comic book sensibilities to get across comic book themes in a comic book way. If this was a WWII movie, I’d be right with everybody screaming about logistics, but the simple answer to all these burning questions of ‘how did they all come together at once’ - ‘why didn’t Captain Marvel slice through everyone like she sliced through the ship’ - ‘how did Tony steal the stones’ - ‘why don’t people rematerialize in the middle of rocks’ - all of that has one simple answer: because comic books. How are you going to create a splash page of heroes if you don’t get them to all come together in a non-logistical way in the middle of the ultimate chaos?
But you don’t have to claim “comic books”, they can have it both ways, they could easily have had their cake and eat it too. Have their splash page of heroes, just don’t do it in such a hamfisted way.
There are lots of ways they could have done that scene. Here’s another, after 10 minutes of the 3 lads fighting Thanos and being left beaten on the ground, Captain America is standing alone and then some portals open behind him. Who steps out first? All those same women, front and centre and ready to kick ass. You could even give them the same line, “Don’t worry cap, you aren’t alone”.
They could have done that, they could have had them support Wanda against Thanos, they could have had it be exclusively women carrying the gauntlet across the battlefield, there are lots of ways they could have went for that hero shot. There was no need to do it so badly and it is a shame that they did.
Welp. You’re not going to sell me. “Hamfisted” may as well be a synonym for “because comic books.”
My bottom line is, when you’ve got talking raccoons, anthropomorphic trees, quantum realms, fat Norse gods, ethereal beings who can manipulate time and all life in the universe because he’s got five rocks in his glove, … saying, “yeah, like that would ever happen,” regarding anything else in the movie is a little short-sighted.
You know that until I saw the discussion about it here, I had not even thought of that scene as anything special. The one thing that did pull me out of the moment, even though it was cool, was that without much preamble all of these people are ready to fight Thanos again after being restored. I mean did Bruce, in addition to restoring them make them aware a battle was going on? Of course not, he did not know they were about to be attacked.
Speaking of Bruce, I loved the call back to the scene in the first Secret Wars crossover series when he held up a mountain to keep the heroes alive. I am not the only one that noticed that, right?
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That was all Dr Strange as far as I see it. He knew what was going to happen and once he was restored immediately set about getting everybody where they needed to be.
How so? Strange was not sure this was the victorious time line until much later in the action.
But it does happen. And it didn’t happen because of some protracted internet debate or anything, it was people who were watching the film and that scene pulled them out of the moment and reminded them “Hey, this is just a movie and not something that’s happening” and that’s a failure for that scene at least with that audience member. I play roleplaying games and, in discussing them, the concept of verisimilitude comes up all the time. You can have elves and fireballs and dragons and dark gods but if you still need to maintain that illusion and convince people that it’s a real world and not just randomly throw nonsense in and say “But there’s elves, man!!” because that doesn’t work as an excuse.
Sure, but if he knew how that last time would play out, then he’s going to work to get the pieces in place and not just sit on a stump and have a smoke (unless that was how the winning time shook out).
I realize that, and I also realize that Dr. Strange knew that it was important that he boost the signal on the Falcon’s communicator as well as perfectly place the first portal so that the Falcon could say “On your left” in a call back to Captain America: Winter Soldier before he even emerged from the portal.
It was a cool entrance and moment, but having it occur before he flew out of the portal did not make sense. It would have made more sense to have it happen as some creature was about to take out Captain America from his left, and give him the dramatic save rather than simply give Falcon the dramatic entrance.
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Well, Spiderman flat out said to Tony Stark when they met that he had passed out for a few minutes, then woke up to Dr Strange telling everybody that it had been 5 years and that they needed to get ready.
Thats my recollection anyway.
Well he saw 14 million scenarios. Presumably several were similar.
I’d assume he saw a bunch where Thanos just flat out decisively wins, some where they fail to figure out the quantum realm, some where they fail to get the stones, some where Thanos wins the final fight, some where just random shit happens, etc. But if he knows that the winning path includes a final battle then he’s going to get that battle going.
Really? All I saw of Strange was meaningful looks at Stark.
And did anyone spot when they pulled the switcheroo on the gauntlet?
Quartz:
When Stark tusseled with Thanos to get the gauntlet off of him. Since the new gauntlet was Stark’s technology, he didn’t really have to physically pull it off of Thanos’s hands…he was able to just command it to re-form around his own hand, like all of his Iron Man armor since about IM3.
I noticed that as well and I wondered if they were going to lean a little harder into it. Push Hulk a bit to make him angrier and then work their way out of the rubble but it didn’t play out that way.
I did call out Captain America wielding Mjlonir but I wasn’t thinking about it until right as it was about to happen. Great callback.
Did anyone see Howard the Duck in the final battle? Per a few sites on the Internet, he was there but I missed him.
Exactly. So while he knows at the start that the winning scenario includes a battle, which he gets going he does not know the senario he is in, is it.
Strange is holding back the water from consuming the battlefield. Suddenly you see a light bulb or eureka look on his face, and he looks at Stark and holds up a finger, as if to say yes this is it.
Except that Thanos was still still wearing the gauntlet, just missing the gems.
I have zero problem with the idea that Stark built some tech into the new gauntlet to begin with which allowed him to still control it… but as the scene plays out, it seems like maybe he just had really fast pickpocket fingers or something? I’d rather it was the former, because that’s very Tony, even with people he trusts. But I wish we saw it a bit more explicitly.
MaxTheVool:
IIRC, he was wearing a plain gold gauntlet, not a Stark-tech-looking gauntlet. But even if I’m wrong about that, simple answer…Stark mentally had the armor with the gems form around his own hand, and simultaneously had a new armored glove form around Thanos’s, so he wouldn’t notice the switch until too late.
There’s no need to boost the signal - the radio waves should go through the portal just as well as visible light does. Which it clearly can, since you can look through a portal and see what’s on the other side.