If memory serves, it’s his mother who tells him to “Eat a salad”.
ETA: ninja’d.
I also like this theory, although it is explicitly contradicted by the Ancient One, who says that returning the stone would cause the branched universe to re-merge with the original, preventing an alternate universe.
Obviously, stuff like Thanos travelling forward in time or Loki escaping with the tesseract created un-fixable branches, which are going to be part of the Loki TV show. Steve going back to be with Peggy should have done the same, but I’ve heard that there’s Word of God to the contrary, so I don’t know. I really want there to be an alternate universe where Peggy Carter and Steve Rogers spend the '50s fighting Hydra agents and communists.
I have trouble sleeping at night so i have nothing but time to lay there and think of things like “How i would solve the Steve Rogers time travel problem”
Perhaps in returning the Soul Stone Steve “Gets something he loves”…this timey-wimey cosmic wish shit would go a long ways in fixing his stuff. He just gets deposited in a What If timeline where Steve is killed in the plane crash and Peggy retrieves his shield.
No, the Ancient One’s problem is that removing the time stone would be disastrous for the universe. Returning the time stone prevents that, but it’s still a different universe.
Also, the one where they took the mind stone and time stone from is the same one where Loki escaped with the Tesseract, that the Loki show is going to be set in.
The Ancient One : The Infinity stones create what you experience as the flow of time. Remove one stone and that flow splits. Now, this may benefit your reality but my new one, not so much. In this new branched reality, without our chief weapon against the forces of darkness, our world will be over run. Millions will suffer. So, tell me Doctor, can your science prevent all that?
Bruce Banner : No, but we can erase it. Because once we are done with the stones, we can return each one to it’s own time line at the moment it was taken. So, chronologically, in that reality, they never left.
And then Bruce reaches out to the illusionary white board thing showing the divergent timeline, and guides it back into the main timeline, so they merge again.
Believe me, I prefer your take, and think that’s the way it should work, and possibly will work when they explore the issue more, but it’s a slight retcon on what was actually said and shown in the movie.
Me, too, but I finally got over it. And I’ve got to say, I’ve really enjoyed NOT worrying about the interwoven (ok, tangled) timelines.
: : s i g h : : I was really hoping we could just let “The Avengers” be over and not keep diving back into confusing timey-whimey stuff… then, dammit!, it looks like Loki will get me all confused all over again.
I don’t think it’s a retcon at all. Banner makes it clear you can’t change the past. Just them being there changes the past. He even says “So, chronologically, in that reality, they never left.”
I think that any one of us in this thread has given all of the time travel stuff about ten times as much thought as any of the writers did.
I also think that embracing a multiverse is, in a very real sense, the end of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The piece of Disney called Marvel Studios will surely continue to make movies, but the whole point of the MCU was that all of these diverse movies were set in the same universe. That was something fundamentally new, and it’s coming to a close now that everything can be in its own universe again (just like superhero movies used to be).
I don’t really see why they would do that. The reason why the MCU has been so successful was people see properties they normally wouldn’t, because it all tied together. While there may be occasional off-shoots into alternate timelines (like the Loki show), the vast majority will take place in one universe.
This is a really late reply, but if you are positing a generic “Tony wishes everything to be OK”, then I think that Thanos’ snap would have the same, perhaps even better. He was nuts by our standards, but he truly believed that a 50% population reduction would fix everything. If the reality stone is tuned to that sort of thing, then all the problems that a simple reduction would actually cause would presumably be reality-stoned away.
And unless he was lying to Gamora he was right, at least for the surviving people.
I don’t think that he was lying, but I also don’t think that he ever bothered to check, and was just assuming that he was right.
They didn’t just have half their population wiped out, they also had substantial infrastructure damage from his attack in the first place.
It’s pretty unlikely that his actions suddenly elevated everyone out of poverty.
Per the Falcon and Winter Soldier TV show that just finished, he was kind of right about it on Earth - the premise for the show is that there’s a new terrorist group that sprung up that liked some of the social changes that were required in dealing with the Snap, and wanted to preserve them even though the missing population were returned. While the show sort of fumbled the concept, the idea that the planet would pull together in the face of global catastrophe is not without precedent. Which makes me think, Thanos’ motivation would have made a lot more sense if it were a sort of Ozymandius,-style, “I’ll do something so evil, everyone will be forced to be better people to get past it,” plot, instead of the incoherent pseudo-environmentalism they went with.
I wonder if Thanos might have been better at his job than intended:
I’d wonder if someone losing 1-3 pounds of bacteria (gut etc) might be lethal. Extreme diarrhea (extreme dehydration) at least. Maybe Thanos really killed all large mammals in the Snap. Oops.
Re: The writers…man thats for sure. One of the writers AFTER the movie, didnt seem to understand their own rules and was saying that Old Steve married our Peggy and attended her funeral.
Re: Timeline branches that can’t/wern’t fixed. I’m pretty sure no one returned that baseball mitt to Hawkeyes barn and i would KILL if thats Lokis first mission.
Owen WIlson: "Just walk into the barn, drop the mitt and walk out. Easy-Peasy.
Loki: “You’re joking, right”
Finally…its always kind of obnoxious how in comics and Star Trek recently, writers will have UNIVERSAL threats. Not Galactic…which is huge enough but universal. So Thanos snapped his fingers and five years later half the universe’s population reappeared and 99.99999999999999999999 percent of them have no clue as to what happened??
And i wont get into how 1/3 of the GD Infinity Stones were on Earth. I think theres a trope for that kind of thing like “Small Universe” or something
Both DC and Marvel have actually tried dealing with this in-universe.
I think at one point, in both DC and Marvel, Earth just happened to be a particularly dense intersection of wormholes/hyperspace corridors/whatever, so it was a natural invasion route for a lot of alien species and was a strategic prize. That turned up as a plot point in both the Justice League and Avengers: Earth’s Mightiest Heroes animated series.
More recently, in DC, especially since the New 52 universe and constant Crises and resets, a number of characters have explicitly stated that not just Earth, but the Earth of the late 20th Century to the early 21st Century was for some reason no one can quite figure out a pivot point for all of reality. Changes to that time/place ripple out and change the entire multiverse in ways that don’t happen anywhere elsewhen.
And in Marvel, Earth contains the Nexus of All Realities, and I think more recently its been stated that there are people who serve as Nexus points for reality, and they’re heavily concentrated on Earth. Also, the current run of The Avengers posits that the first Celestial (a Kirby Space God) died on Earth of a cosmic infestation/infection, and life on Earth originated as the byproduct of his decay, and Earth’s heroes are sort of cosmic antibodies, so Earth is the center of cosmic conflicts.
It’s mainly Odin’s fault. He hid the Space Stone there, and then Loki brought the Mind Stone there trying to get it.
I never really got why.
Wouldn’t it be far safer in Asgard than on some backwater planet?
A mere human was able to get the stone. What if someone like Thanos had come looking?
Security by obscurity, and he also didn’t want Thanos or whoever coming after Asgard.
I may well be misremembering this, but wasn’t that the explicit explanation? I vaguely remember a scene in one of the movies, where Thor goes into Odin’s vault, and finds the artifact(s) is/are fake, because the vault is an obvious target, and they were hidden away in a place no one would think to look.