Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY!

No, I’m talking about when she’s powered by Extremis and kicks all kinds of ass. That previous characterization.

Wow, I don’t remember that at all. Not doubting you - just surprised my memory of the film is so poor. I really need to watch it again, I guess.

Somewhere I got the idea that the Infinity Stones not only controlled an aspect of reality, they also maintained the existence of reality by controlling the rules it operated on. Now I have to figure out where I got that idea, because it’s been bothering me that the destruction of the Stones did not also shred the universe.

Why would a member of The Black Order do that?? Thanos suffers no sexism in his ranks!

So when Captain Marvel had the gauntlet why didnt she just warp off into space??

“See ya suckers!!! ZOOOm zzzooooommmmzoooooOOOM”

Not clear whether you’re talking here about people who are OUTRAGED by the girl power team up scene or just people who complain about it. I complain about it when the topic comes up, because I think it was a clumsy and stupid scene. There was a germ of reasonable intention there, but it was lost in both the awkward suspension-of-disbelief-shattering setup and the extreme un-earnedness of the pat-on-the-back. And I’m definitely not one to bitch about the latest right-wing-internet-neckbeard faux-outrage.

When it comes to MCU outrage i just roll my eyes. People now see SJWs under their beds at night. I’ve seen videos calling Falcon and the Winter Soldier SJW trash because (Fill in a hundred reasons) and Anti-SJW because “The Flag Smashers are Antifa”

If you scroll up about ten posts to the post where I made pretty much exactly the same observations you did, I think it should be obvious which group I’m talking about. :wink:

I’d disagree.

In the moment, in the theater, after Marvel had been playing with my emotions for two hours, I was all in for that shot. The logical & cynical parts of my brain were very much overruled by the part that was beyond thrilled to see girl* superheroes. After the fact, I can have a much more nuanced conversation about whether it made any narrative sense and/or how Marvel has handled gender issues in front of and behind the camera - but at the time, I was just cheering.

*I’m intentionally using the world “girl,” because it was a direct appeal to my inner little girl and probably actual little girls in the audience. Representation matters.

This (except for only very slightly having an inner girl). It was the same feeling as when Marvel/Danvers gets back up in the pivotal scene of her own movie. I gave an audible “Yas! Queen!” in the theatre for that one.

It was a tiny bit jarring, but the movie had a lot of material to cover as it is without going down too many side alleys, and besides, I can’t think of any other way the plot could have brought her to be with Tony when he died.

The sorcerer supreme in Endgame more or less said that, something like, “They control the flow of time”, but as to exactly how accurate she was being, hard to say.

Personal hypothosis is that there is a difference between destroying and removing them. The gems exist as crystallizations of this power, and being reduced to atoms simply means that those powers are no longer accessible to be wielded, but still there. They may even reform over time. Actually removing them means that those powers no longer exist in that universe.

But my stronger theory is that we have put more thought into this than the writers have.

I thought it was set up towards the beginning of the movie, when Morgan was playing with the helmet, and Tony said, (something like)“That’s mommy’s, not that she ever wears anything that I get her.”

It was a subversion when she showed up, but not an unpredictable one.

That’s the unanswerble question, because the meta answer as to why the unbeatable superhero (CM or Superman) doesn’t win immediately by themselves is - then there wouldn’t be a story. Pay no attention to the logic behind the curtain.

My comment on the movie is, I blame Star Lord for the whole snap. He had ONE job - kill Gamora so Thanos can’t use her to get the stone. It’s what she wanted. And he promised.

It’s all on him, alone. :slight_smile:

Or even before she showed up, why not hand it off to one of the wizards to sling ring it off anywhere else?

He tried to. He pulled the trigger, and bubbles came out.

Thanos won that fight before they even showed up at Knowhere.

Where he did fail was when he knocked Mantis off Thanos when he started punching him after learning of Gamora’s death. Though whether that would have actually made a difference is hard to say.

I mean, come on guys, they addressed that in the movie:

CLINT BARTON: Cap, what do you want me to do with this damn thing?

STEVE ROGERS: Get those stones as far away as possible!

BRUCE BANNER: No! We need to get them back where they came from.

Didn’t that happen after Dr. Strange gave his “One way out of eleventy-bajillion paths” remark? If so, Star-Lord HAD to do that or else they wouldn’t have been on the winning path and it all would have gone belly up with Thanos winning in some other fashion.

And I agree with Cap in that discussion. The important thing at that time was keeping them away from Thanos.

Sending them back wasn’t something that could just be done on the fly. They’d need whoever took it to take the last of the Pym particles (Rogers did pick up extras while in the past, IIRC, but who knows where they are right now), then go to get more in order to make all the trips necessary.

At the time Banner didn’t even know if the van had survived, and if there was even a way to accomplish his suggestion. And of course, the van was a pretty easy target once Thanos knew where they were going. Banner’s plan was wrong, that’s why Captain America is known as the “Man with the Plan”.

The other option would be to use them. It would be suicide for most of them, as seen when Stark used them, but anyone could have put on the glove and snapped Thanos and his minions out of existence.

Yeah, that’s why I say it probably wouldn’t have made a difference. They weren’t really getting anywhere with the glove while he was out, and it was only when he started punching Thanos that the Spiderman almost got the glove off.

But it’s not as if if Starlord knew that. It may have been necessary, but it was still a failure on his part. For all he knew, they had a 1 in 14 million chance of defeating Thanos on Titan, and he blew it.

(I went with made up names for this post, as there were too many “Peters” involved.)

Well, like my mom always used to say: If you’re going to fail, fail in the way that saves the lives of half the universe.

In my head, I suppose that it wasn’t necessary for SL to actually start punching Thanos. But they couldn’t have ‘succeeded’ in removing the glove at that time – perhaps temporarily losing the glove would have caused Thanos to up and kill one of them under his own power and that person wouldn’t have been brought back post-Banner-Snap to assist in the end. SL “screwing up” the glove gambit meant that they were available in some form for the real final fight.