“SHH-sh-sh-sh-sh-sh!”
Well, all that stuff would still happen, no matter what Cap does in the past. He might’ve split off a timeline in which things occur differently, but that wouldn’t have any influence on the prime timeline, where these things have occurred as we saw them. So there’s really no saving anybody.
That said, one might argue that splitting off another timeline to save people there, so that you have the prime timeline where Kennedy dies, the Challenger explodes, Hydra infiltrates SHIELD, and so on, and one in which Cap acts to prevent something, might be preferable—at least, in that timeline, all the bad stuff is prevented, so at least those versions of the people get saved, even if the originals die, right?
Except that doesn’t work that way, either. The first change Cap introduces branches the timeline off; after that, his foreknowledge at least can’t be 100% certain. Plus, each such change may have unforeseen consequences, that could well end up worse than the original timeline. Remember, the original version of events was the only one in 14 million possibilities where they end up beating Thanos; any change altering course from that timeline would end in at least halve the universe being eradicated.
And that’s just one threat. Any change he introduces may lead to the Avengers never being formed, and the world being overrun by the Chitauri—or, of course, some other catastrophe happening, one he doesn’t have any foreknowledge of.
(Indeed, it’s also possible that we saw a timeline—from the beginning—which was the best possible version that Cap could bring about; i. e. old Cap we saw in the end was from another timeline, where even worse stuff happened, which he worked all these years in the background to prevent, leading to the timeline we saw as the main MCU timeline.)
I liked it, but I think I liked infinity war better.
My criticisms:
I think “bummed out Avengers” dragged on a bit too long. As an audience we were over it so they probably could have glossed over it more. 5 year jump and we have to have a support group scene?
I like time travel stories, but I like them to be clever. This seemed like time travel for a nostalgia trip.
Fat Thor throughout the entire movie was distracting. I found it unnecessary.
The Cgi was overdone and was borderline bad at several points.
Otherwise I liked it. I choked up a bit when Tony died (I was expecting him to die but not expecting it to affect me so much) and there were some thrilling moments near the end.
Worth seeing and seeing early.
It occurs to me that this is a similar situation to LOTR - Return of the King.
Many of the reviews that give the highest praise for the movie devote most of their content to talking about what the movie *represents *; the conclusion to an epic saga and all that Marvel has built and yadda yadda.
For me, I really respect what marvel has done and some of it has been movie magic.
and I think the last movie was just OK.
So, New Asgard was definitely in Scotland. UK style town name sign, old S-reg UK RHD Land Rover…and the fact that Thor was clearly enjoying the c Scottish way of life!
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Regarding Captain America at the end of the movie. The movie was very clear that traveling back in time can’t change the present you started from - it just creates an alternate time line. All the Avengers who get sent back in time have those little devices that can jump them back to the point they left their own timeline. So, with the original plan of just stealing the stones from the past, it doesn’t prevent Thanos from doing the snap - the best you can do is create an alternate timeline where the snap never happened, but it will still have happened in your original time line.
So, when Cap went back, and stayed with Peggy, he created an alternate timeline where they got married and grew old together. Steve outlives Peggy - benefits of the super soldier serum - and then, finally, after decades of living in his alternate timeline, returns to his original timeline to give Sam the shield.
What’s notable here is that this means Cap doesn’t spent fifty years sitting on his ass while JFK is shot, and Hydra hollows out Shield, and all the rest of that stuff. Hell, Peggy’s running the OSS about a decade after the war. She’s not sitting around in her ass, either. The two of them probably got a pretty good start on making their timeline into a utopia, preventing most of the apocalypses we’ve seen before they start. But none of that happens in the time line we’ve seen in the movies. There’s at least two alternate timelines created in this movie that are likely way better than the original timeline - the “future Cap fixes everything” timeline I just posited, and one where shortly before the events of Guardians of the Galaxy, Thanos takes his flagship through a time warp and is never heard from again.
Also, the reason the Time Stone in particular is so important is that, if it vanishes in 2012, Dormammu destroys the planet in 2016.
I thought about that possibility, too, but if he used the time-travel gizmo to get back, shouldn’t he have reappeared on the time machine pad, only aged?
The Gimp in Pulp Fiction. Never heard so many people say “what the fuck?” out loud in a theater.
Loudest I ever heard was for Mr. Samuel L. Jackson in Snakes on a Plane, after the quintessential line. Some gave a standing O.
Back to Endgame: Favorite line was Captain Marvel in beginning. “I’m going to go kill Thanos.” The same way as saying, “I’m off to the grocery store.”, or something. 
She is great.
Also, forget who first mentioned the tacos, but I’m using a pic of two tacos to use on FB as a response when someone says they had a bad day or had a bad lunch because of that scene with Hulk and Ant-Man at lunch. Like, there, there. Here’s some tacos for you.
BTW, why the hell are they eating burgers and tacos? I’m sure they burn the calories, but…
Random thoughts:
Tony’s death didn’t impact me as much as it did others (although Peter’s reaction hit me pretty hard; Tom Holland is crushing it as Peter); I figured he would go out with some kind of self-sacrifice. I was surprised at how much Nat’s self-sacrifice hit me.
I think it’s because of what she represented to Clint. I did think it was clever to have them struggling with each other to see who got to sacrifice themself for the greater good, and for a while I thought, “OK, this is a perfect place for Clint to go out; he’s lost everything, he doesn’t have as much to look forward to, so logically he should go.” But then I realized that the Soul Stone requires a tremendous sacrifice, and for all that Nat clearly loves Clint (in a brother/sister kind of way), she also has the rest of the team. She’s kept connected to them post-snap, and as damaged as everyone is, she’s got people around her for support. If she loses Clint it’s tragic, but in a way it’s just another friend and teammate that she lost.
Nat is all that Clint has left. Yes, he’s come back to the Avengers, but he hasn’t really re-integrated himself. So losing her is Clint losing everything. It’s pretty brutal.
Got a little misty-eyed when Tony gave Peter the big hug. sniff
Seeing Suri armed for battle got a surprise little cheer from me. Not sure why, other than that I love it when the usually non-combatant characters decide that they’ve had enough and they’re going to kick some ass.
Damn, Danai Gurira is a beautiful woman.
I was the lone cheer when Cap picked up the hammer. It was a pretty quiet theater, but still. C’mon people, that was awesome!
Got really choked up when Scott saw his daughter for the first time. He does so much comedy, that I forget that Paul Rudd really is an excellent actor. He sold that scene.
I was very pleasantly surprised at the pace of the movie. There were a few slow moments, but it didn’t fell like three hours to me.
I loved Dr. Strange just raising his index finger to Tony. “Yup. This is the one.”
Forgot about my other favorite line. “Hail, Hydra.” Love when the characters are clever in addition to being badasses.
I saw it last night and loved it. I won’t repeat everything else has said, but one of my favorite parts was how much shit everyone gave Ant-Man throughout the whole movie, even though he’s the one who came up with the plan and the technology to actually save everyone.
And I’m glad the technobabble as to why the two Nebulas could access each other’s minds made some sense.
And I also really hope “melting ice cream” Thor shows up in GotG 3.
Because they are tasty! The only Avenger who is anywhere close to a paragon of virtue who might only eat healthy food is Cap, and he’s evolved a lot. And a 1940’s fellow is going to consider beef health food at any rate.
If you don’t mind, can you have the discussion of reaction moments in other movies in another thread? It’s a distraction here.
The gizmos give them control over their jumps - Steve and Tony used theirs to jump further back in time to 1970. Old Steve used his to land a little bit off from the platform. Guy used to be in show biz - he knows how to make an entrance.
I’ve read most of the thread, so maybe I’ve missed my specific time travel question.
I understand taking the Infinity Stones, using them, then returning them to when and where they were heisted, thus keeping the past intact and not causing schisms. I don’t need an Ancient One/Dr. Strange explanation, because it made perfect sense. I understand that Rogers knows not to interfere with anything because he understands the implications. He’s smart and disciplined. My question regards future travelling Thanos. Obviously, his forces are post-NY invasion, but also pre-Infinity War. Unless Tony simply sent them back (though it looks like he dusted them), that has created an alternate time line with no Gamora and more importantly, no more Thanos! So at the moment Thanos jumps to the future, schism. Or am I missing something?
I think it was more than, “this is the one,” but also, “you know what you have to do - you have to sacrifice yourself.” Which goes a long way toward the whole, how (or at least why) did Tony pull off the stone pick-pocket trick. Because he had to in order to win - essentially.
Nope. There’s absolutely an alternate timeline where Thanos just vanishes from the universe and never assembled the Infinity stones, or did basically anything we saw him do from GotG forward.
The only seat left in town was in a brewpub/theater*. They had a huge amount of staff to run beer and food to your seat, and our head server said “If you need a bathroom break, watch for the Hulk carrying tacos. That’s halfway through, and you’ll have at least five minutes there.”
*Flix Brewhouse, a lot of fun. I hadn’t had anything to drink for five hours before, and didn’t need a break. But I couldn’t resist having a beer delivered during the movie, so I ordered one during the last half hour.
It may indeed be “nothing else”, but that’s the exact point in previous MCU movies where they put up the simple graphic “Iron Man/The Avengers/Captain America/etc. will return.” Heck, it’s where they put “Thanos will return” at the end of Infinity War. So maybe a bit of foreshadowing that Iron Man (in some incarnation) will return?