Maybe someone can help me with this - at the end, after Adam boarded the Airport Shuttle (Destination: Dumpsville, Population: You) was he sitting there in the bus watching Jason and Malena passionately kiss twenty feet away?
If so, that’s pretty damn cold.
Huh, and I wonder why the firm pays out half of it’s profits to the trader. They’re the ones bearing all the risk; they put up the risk capital and pay the overhead. It is slightly more than a datafeed, monitor and place to sit (although not much). There are typically pooled information sources as well as the more important informal information network of fellow traders. It’s a great way for a young unestablished trader to bootstrap his way into the big time.
Think about it: If he is staked with 250k to 1mn dollars, that’s the equivalent of him having his own stake of 125-500k, a free office and operations team, and absolutely no risk to his capital. The people that do this typically can’t get trading positions at hedge funds or I-banks and so aren’t in a position of getting a salary/bonus that will allow them to raise that kind of stake and still afford them the risk of losing it.
Hell, mutual funds take no incentive fee
and often just take a management fee of around 1%. Now that’s a lame deal.
Malena and Jason are supposed to appear on Leno tonight.
Maybe she’ll admit to making the wrong choice.
OK… maybe not.
Adam’s better off without her.
Well then you should know better than to pass judgment on the little bit the cameras show of a place that, for all you know, could be in an upscale building in a posh area of town (we already know that it’s a river-view apartment, which jacks up the rent right there). You should also know that apartments the size of lunchboxes are pretty damned expensive in NY and that oftentimes what looks to be meager (and remember, we didn’t really see much of the apartment itself, just that in typical guy fashion, it hadn’t been decorated very fancily) is really quite expensive. And the fact that he has a roommate could be indicative of the fact that he prefers to live with someone rather than live by himself. Some people don’t like living alone, you know. None of which proves how much money he actually has or makes.
TaxGuy, I think the woman is a shallow bitch because she didn’t choose the handsome man because he was a person of substance who she also happened to be attracted to, she chose him strictly because he’s hot and she’d like to fuck him. She didn’t reject the less-handsome guy because he was a jerk or they had nothing in common, it was only about what he looked like.
I don’t believe that she honestly gave herself the chance to fall in love with Adam because she didn’t even make any effort to learn anything important about him. She took advantage of the romantic locales and the free travel and limo rides, etc., led him on with all the making out and talk of how she could see herself living in New York, and yet had no intention of allowing herself to really feel anything for the guy by bothering to get to know him. Even Adam was smart enough to pick up on the fact that she was clearly thinking of BeautyBoy while she was on her date with him.
Being physically attracted to someone is, indeed, important. But that attraction can grow from nothing to overpowering for a person who is not shallow enough to expect it to be fireworks in the loins the moment you lay eyes on someone. She had clearly made up her mind the minute she met LoverBoy. She was all over him, sucking face and declaring she could be kissed like that for the rest of her life. Adam never stood a chance after that. That’s what makes her shallow.
Speaking of hearing of someone outside of Average Joe:
They showed an ad for an upcoming episode of Miss Match after the show last night. Was that really the stuck-up 21-year-old Ph.D. guy in the episode?
Right, I understand that. However, you automatically equate “shallow” with “bad,” and I’m wondering why. I’m asking a bigger question than you’re answering.
KidCharlemagne, thanks for the info. I thought at first that the place he worked just provided the facilities, not the capital with which to trade.
Wow, you could’ve fooled me. I thought I answered exactly what you asked, which was,
It’s not shallow to place physical attractiveness “high” on your list of priorities at all. But it is shallow if that’s the only reason you pick person A over person B, and, if you never give yourself an opportunity to develop an attraction to person B by bothering to get to know them because you think attraction can only exist if there are fireworks right out of the gate.
This vapid twit didn’t pick PrettyBoy because of a “whole host of characteristics,” one of which was that she found him attractive, she picked him because he made her knees weak when he kissed her. Pretty shallow if you ask me.
I think Malena hasn’t a clue what more to offer than looks either of these men have. One of them she only “knows” through fake dates that he couldn’t afford to take her on if the producers weren’t paying for them and from how he kisses her and his beautiful smile. For all she knows he hates horseback riding in the woods and/or wouldn’t have thought of it as something fun to do on a date in the first place. So the fact that she got her “fantasy” date with him is completely manufactured and not even close to what she can really expect in a relationship with him.
The other one she spent considerably more time with, and still managed not to know what he even did for a living – that’s how little she cared about developing any sort of attraction to him. She spent time with him, yet pretty much knew nothing about him until she was forced to go to New York with him. And even after having discovered that he’s a successful businessman, romantic in his own right (my god, he had an entire drink menu based on their shared experiences printed and laminated for her, he filled an entire room with flowers and candles and bought her an adorable stuffed animal and a darling outfit from Victoria’s Secret!) without the producers having to create the ambiance for him, she still went for the killer smile and the hot kisses.
Which is shallow and superficial.
How is that a “bad” thing? Well, she certainly didn’t think it was a “good” thing when she had it happen to her, did she?
Her loss. I hope Adam’s phone is ringing off the hook right now, with women who’d die to have a chance to know a great guy like him. He deserves it. And Malena got exactly what she deserves out of this thing, too.
I had the same thought the moment they said he was millionaire. There’s just no way she can win this one. If she had picked Adam, then everyone would be bashing her for being a gold-digging whore. Instead, she picked Jason, so she’s a vapid twit.
IMO, they should let her choose between really, really nice guys, who are completely average (or even sub-average) in the looks department, or handsome models who are really, really evil. Like, ex-convict or kicks puppies evil.
I don’t think Malena is the only one being shallow here. Look at the super!nerds. They all fell in love with her when they saw her. They knew that she would look past their fat asses, bald heads and Clark Kent glasses to see the beauty within. Well when they looked at her did they look at her inner beauty or her boobs and fake plastic smile?
So what if she picked the Hot!Bisexuallookingdude. She’s no worse than the average joes. She made a value judgement and so did everyone else. The joes saw a hot gir so obviously she is nice, understanding and so on. She saw the Hot!Bisexuallookingdude and thought hey, he’s hot he would be real good in bed.
When Malena picked the weatherman I was tempted to feel sorry for Adam. After all he worked so hard! But I stopped myself. He did work hard. In fact thats all he did. He put on a show for her everytime. He bought her stuff, performed comedy routines, told her how beautiful she is and totally acted like she was a goddess. He pulled out every trick in the book. He had to work really hard to show how perfect he is for her. The weatherman couldnt’ care less about being picked by Marlena, but of course he didn’t want to lose a competition but the object didn’t matter so much. He didn’t try, he just kinda hung out and went with the flow. I will also note that he didn’t join in on making fun of the “cousin” but Adam did chime in his two cents. Now I only saw what the producers showed us and I didn’t see the weatherman saying anything bad.
Also people are giving Malena a bad wrap for picking the weatherman, but I am not. It was obvious she wanted weatherman’s bones real bad and if she picked Adam I would have thought it was only for the money and thats pretty shitty.
I think Adam will be the winner in this. He has shown himself to be a man who will bend over backwards to win a woman. There are a lot of women who will choose money and its perks over normal looking eyes and normal sized teeth. He’s gonna have a lot of women who will be able to see past his average joeness and see his inner bank account, err i mean beauty.
I’m rather surprised that you even need to ask why.
I don’t recall exactly, but did Malena know the show billed him as a millionaire? I’m pretty sure he only told her that he was “successful,” which could mean anything from making a modest living from his career and investments to being grossly rich beyond most people, let alone a 27 year-old man, and anything in between. Obviously he had more to offer financially than Mr. Smile, but I’d hardly call a woman vapid for respecting a man for being a goal-setter and successful in his business life. Not to mention that he didn’t give her the impression that if she chose him they’d be living the high life. He has a modest apartment and doesn’t flaunt whatever money he has with fancy clothes and cars. I doubt a golddigger would choose a well-to-do man who didn’t go for the trappings of wealth if all she wanted was his money. It just wouldn’t make sense.
We should have known she was an idiot from the beginning. After all, she had the hots for Zach, who was obviously a self-centered, pompous ass. However, he was one of the best looking of the Average Joes, judging by outer beauty alone. Once she had proof of what a jerk he was, she booted him, but that was only after they brought in the pretty boys. I have a feeling if the pretty boys hadn’t been brought in, she’d be with Zach right now; even though he was an ass, he was the best looking of the average group.
Adam~If you’re out there reading this, by chance, please send me an e-mail. I’ll show you a good time and you’ll forget all about that stupid bitch that doesn’t know a good thing when it is sitting right in front of her.
Well … in Malena’s defense:
If you had a choice between a guy who you knew you already had the hots for, and a guy who you might develop the hots for if you let the relationship continue, which would you choose?
Now, if Malena had picked pretty-boy Jason just because she couldn’t stand the thought of being caught in public with a less-than-stunningly-handsome man on her arm, then she’d be shallow.
I think I’m gonna produce a new show called “Average Joe Millionaire,”
where an average looking millionaire gets to select from a group of twelve women. When the final woman is chosen, it will be revealed that he is actually:
Significantly uglier in real life!
tracer, it’s not like this girl was simply at a bar and decided to flirt with the good-looking guy strutting his stuff on the dance floor over the average joe sitting in the corner. She chose to put herself in a position where the object was to meet men in the hopes of developing a relationship with one of them. To that end, she didn’t even put in a modicum of effort throughout the entire process – she just kept getting rid of the least attractive ones one by one. I don’t think there was any genuine effort at all.
Perhaps mine is a wisdom borne of experience, but I learned long ago that the content of one’s character is far more attractive than perfect teeth, pecs and hairlines and I have found myself physically attracted to some extremely odd-looking men (by magazine standards), who women like Malena would consistently overlook. So to answer your specific question, if I had a choice between a guy who I knew I already had the hots for, and a guy who I might develop the hots for if I let the relationship continue, I would choose the man who, between the two of them (and it could be the hot one, too), had the better character. Honestly.
With my husband’s permission to say this, if the producers of Average Joe had to place him as a contestant on that show, he’d definitely be in the Average Joe grouping and not the Hot Stud grouping. He self-identifies as a geek, so I’m not offending him when I tell you he’s a geek. He complains about his receding hairline, has crooked teeth and his physique is basically tall and lanky, not the least bit muscular. And when we met, there were a couple of “traditionally” better looking men in the group I could’ve gone for (not saying they’d’ve reciprocated, but you get the point) instead of him.
I am blessed to have a man in my life who is genuinely kind, romantic, charming, adorable, funny, witty, brilliantly smart, and, IMNSHO, totally sexy and yummy (See for yourself). Thankfully any Malena’s he met in his life, left him for me! 
I would agree with you 100%. Kinda like on Joe Millionaire when they show the guys all distraught and crying about how guilty they felt for leading all the ladies on. ROFL, yeah right!
Well, you’re right. I thought I was asking why shallow automatically equals bad, but my brain-typing coordination didn’t work so well and I didn’t really type that. Sorry for being condescending by implying that you didn’t understand my point.
So let me now ask the bigger question: why is it a bad thing to be shallow?
When a person chooses a mate, they have a whole list of characteristics in mind that they want their mate to have. If someone chooses a hot guy over an ugly guy, you call her shallow. If she chooses a rich guy over a poor guy, you call her shallow. (OK, I could have written that better to more reflect your thoughts, but I think you get my point. I know what you’re saying is that she’s shallow because you think she chose the hot guy only because he was hot. In my terminology, I would say that she has “hotness” really high on her list and “being thoughtful and romantic” like Adam pretty low on her list.)
But if she chose an ugly guy who has a great sense of humor, is romantic, is kind to animals and children, is honest and full of integrity and all that good stuff, then you pronounce her officially “not shallow.”
Also, remember throughout that a pronouncement of “shallow” in your opinion is a bad thing to be avoided.
Why is this? So what that Melena’s list of characteristics she wants in a mate differs from your list. Why’s this a bad thing? Wouldn’t it be harder for us all to find mates if we all had the exact same list of characteristics we were looking for?
Maybe she would think you were being shallow by not looking past a guy’s good sense of humor and honesty and integrity to see that the guy will be poor all his life cuz he’s got a reverse Midas touch (or is a “hoodoo,” to use word that KidCharlemagne might also be hip to).
I posit that Melena simply has a different list of characteristics that she looks for in a mate than you do, and I don’t see why you feel that it’s a bad thing that her list differs from yours.
The thing that kills me is that when she did the"competition" dates between the pretties and the joes, she picked the pretties EACH TIME, with the rational,“I want an opportunity to get to know you better”.
Then she does the exact same thing for her final choice?
Methinks something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Chris W
I think it is possible that it just appeared that way (how the show was editted together), as we never saw the couple through the bus window or the bus behind the couple.
I couldn’t believe how amazingly respectful Adam was of Malena’s decision. A friend of mine watched the whole season and was pretty peeved by the final decision, while I (who only caught the first and last episodes) think Adam probably made out in the long run.