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[QUOTE=Chronos]
Some clarifications on the Pirate game: I presume that Dick Deadeye makes one kill attempt per night? And if he kills pirates (other than Flint), do they count towards his quota?

If Steele and/or Livesey block a kill, do they know they accomplished anything?

If Flint dies and Gunn becomes sane, is his status revealed?

If the game gets down to just Sam and a normal crewman, whose victory is it? What if it’s just an unactivated Dick vs. crew, or a trio of Dick, Sam, and crew?

And you didn’t actually list roles for Flint or the generic pirates… I presume that they’re just garden-variety scum (aside from Flint and Steele’s recognition of each other)?
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Malacandra is the ultimate authority, but my interpretation of the rules are:

Yes, Dick Deadeye has one kill attempt per night, which has a coin flip chance of working; pirates do, in fact, count towards his quota. Think of it as him showing Flint he’s a cold blooded killer, somebody Flint would want on his side.

If Steele blocks a kill, he will only know that there is one less kill in the morning. However, if he blocks a Pirate kill that Flint was executing, they will recognize each other. Doctor Livesey works not by blocking a kill, but by healing a kill after it happens. When his powers work, he put effort into saving the person on thier deathbed, so he knows the person he protected was targeted.

I would venture to say that if Gunn was alive while Flint was killed, his mission becomes known and he is revealed to the ship.

Generic pirates are, as you said, garden-variety-scum. Originally, when Flint made a kill Steele was protecting, it didn’t go through, but Flint IDed Steele. We changed it to having them ID each other because otherwise the pirates would choose Flint to carry out all their kills. Flint also has the tie-breaking vote in scum night decisions.

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Oh, and unactivated Dick is not considered a pirate, so him and a lone crew would be a win for the crew.

Dick, Sam, and crew would require a round of voting. Sam might have investigated Dick and the crew, so can sway the vote towards crew, however. But the day must end with somebody walking the plank (lynch).

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Now Queuing and Lakai are setting themselves up as an opposing pair. So when one of them gets lynched, the other can say “See I told you so. Now trust me again.” Poor town…

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I am not sure the town fully realises the implications of todays vote. They don’t (as far as they know) get any second chances.

I for one am shocked that they are still persuing a strategy that has worked so poorly for them in the past.

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Wait, are we signing up for a new game now?

I want in…

I still think it’s a good idea to start the day with no kills, just everyone saying who they WOULD kill, then at night, everyone is told who was ATTACKED, but not by whom. Then everyone gets to play at least one full day.

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[QUOTE=NAF1138]
I am not sure the town fully realises the implications of todays vote. They don’t (as far as they know) get any second chances.

I for one am shocked that they are still persuing a strategy that has worked so poorly for them in the past.
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What strategy is that? Not deciding on a target, and then speed-lynching in the last few hours?

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That seems to be the preferred strategy for all townspeople everywhere. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=Gadarene]
That seems to be the preferred strategy for all townspeople everywhere. :smiley:
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Yeah, that’s pretty much how I live my live. Except townspeople = me and lynching = homework! :open_mouth:

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What incentive do the killers have to be honest? The Mafia could just say “Well, we would kill Cousin Vinnie”, and then leave everyone thinking that Vinnie must be Town, because the Mafia attacked him. Or, rather, someone in the Town would point this out, too, and everyone would just completely disregard the first-night attacks. I think I prefer the system where the first night’s “kills” are names made up just for that purpose (not actual players), but that nonviolent activities like investigations still occur. This is probably the same effect as what you’re proposing, but it seems to flow a bit smoother.

Pleonast, I noticed that too, and I’m now busily wondering whether that feud is genuine. Hopefully, the Town will have enough sense to lynch Lakai, at which point Queuing will become more trusted (and he’s already Officially Trusted as Town). At that point, if he really is town, he’d be a likely target for the night-kill (remembering that most of the folks still in the game claim to trust him). If he does get offed by the Mafia, well, then, as far as I’m concerned, the last decision is easy. If he doesn’t, though, then I think that I would be inclined to lynch him tomorrow. Which may, of course, just be what the Mafia wants me to think, but hey.

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I wonder if Lakai is expecting to go down. It’d be odd, though, because if so, he just pretty much confirmed Fretful Porpentine as town - unless he’s sending him up the river to make himself look better.

The Treasure Island game seems pretty interesting. The type of information the town gets is unusual in that there doesn’t seem to be a regular detective. As far as I can tell, this limits roleclaiming a bit (especially with a pro-pirate ‘detective’).

Sneaky Sam seems a bit tricky to play. If he’s had a few successful IDs, he could suicide and take out some of the power players. That’s not really a given, though.

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[QUOTE=Chronos]
Some clarifications on the Pirate game: I presume that Dick Deadeye makes one kill attempt per night? And if he kills pirates (other than Flint), do they count towards his quota?

If Steele and/or Livesey block a kill, do they know they accomplished anything?

If Flint dies and Gunn becomes sane, is his status revealed?

If the game gets down to just Sam and a normal crewman, whose victory is it? What if it’s just an unactivated Dick vs. crew, or a trio of Dick, Sam, and crew?

And you didn’t actually list roles for Flint or the generic pirates… I presume that they’re just garden-variety scum (aside from Flint and Steele’s recognition of each other)?
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To enlarge on Pygmy Rugger’s previous answer:

Dick must attempt one kill per night. Pirates count; as far as Flint is concerned, any pirate too incompetent to protect himself wasn’t worth saving. (That there is no game mechanic by which they could have done so is neither here nor there.)

Steele will be aware if he has blocked a kill, but not necessarily whether his subject was the intended victim or killer. Similarly, the killer will know that he was scared off by someone sneaking around, but not whether Steele was watching him or the victim. (Dick, who starts at every shadow when on a mission, may think Steele blocked him when in fact he failed all by himself.) Livesey, as stated, is well aware that he has just saved someone’s life, and so is the intended victim; what’s more, the killer will know that he got a blow in. However, Livesey and whoever he saved will do their best to hide the wound, so no-one else knows. The doctor’s saving power works only if he happened to be very close on hand when the deed was done.

Gunn is only sane for a given value of “sane”. Only when all the pirates are dead will he pop up, tugging his forelock and hoping for a share of the treasure. (In normal Mafia games there’s no mechanic for establishing that all scum are dead, either; the GM has to announce it.)

Sam versus one crew must be ruled a crew win as Sam has no means of disposing of the last crewman; giving Sam the opportunity of sharing in such a win would be too much in his favour. Dick is automatically discovered once the last pirate is dead and can’t win. So both of the above endings would be a crew win. Moral for all would-be pirates: do your utmost to bring about a pirate win!

Flint, as alluded to, is a pirate with a casting vote and a special relationship with Steele. Generic scum and town were taken as read.

Unless people are in a tearing hurry to begin a game using Google Groups as a venue, we’ll have to wait until the current one finishes.

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Footnote: Someone wants to book early, so I’d better make it clear that anyone’s welcome to sign up in advance. PM me, not Pygmy Rugger. I’ll copy this to the other “observation deck”.

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For the love of God, storyteller, look at what’s happening! You think that Lakai is scum, and then you follow him on the Fretful bandwagon? That makes no sense, no sense whatsoever.

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[QUOTE=Rysto]
For the love of God, storyteller, look at what’s happening! You think that Lakai is scum, and then you follow him on the Fretful bandwagon? That makes no sense, no sense whatsoever.
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I kinda dig it. :smiley:

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[QUOTE=Rysto]
For the love of God, storyteller, look at what’s happening! You think that Lakai is scum, and then you follow him on the Fretful bandwagon? That makes no sense, no sense whatsoever.
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All I can say is that I’m not getting any work done this morning. Also, I think I’m going to need a new F5 key.

–FCOD

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[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
All I can say is that I’m not getting any work done this morning. Also, I think I’m going to need a new F5 key.

–FCOD
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Ditto that. Just on the off chance, I’ll set 'em up for all the players left in…

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[QUOTE=Chronos]
What incentive do the killers have to be honest? The Mafia could just say “Well, we would kill Cousin Vinnie”, and then leave everyone thinking that Vinnie must be Town, because the Mafia attacked him. Or, rather, someone in the Town would point this out, too, and everyone would just completely disregard the first-night attacks. I think I prefer the system where the first night’s “kills” are names made up just for that purpose (not actual players), but that nonviolent activities like investigations still occur. This is probably the same effect as what you’re proposing, but it seems to flow a bit smoother.
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Oh, they wouldn’t be honest…but then if someone was attacked, look at who wanted to attack them…since the mafia wouldn’t be so stupid as to want to attack someone, then actually attack them, then the person that did the original FOS must be a townie! Unless…maybe that’s what the mafia wants us to think; in that case, that orginial person must be scum! Or is that what the mafia want us to think…ad infinitum. Like I said, gives us a little more information to start with…

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[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach]
Oh, they wouldn’t be honest…but then if someone was attacked, look at who wanted to attack them…since the mafia wouldn’t be so stupid as to want to attack someone, then actually attack them, then the person that did the original FOS must be a townie! Unless…maybe that’s what the mafia wants us to think; in that case, that orginial person must be scum! Or is that what the mafia want us to think…ad infinitum. Like I said, gives us a little more information to start with…
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Not really, it just lends itself to circular logic, and the townspeople would disregard the information, as it comes from a source that is not dependable.

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Great job running that game, NAF. And congratulations to the Mafia! Well-played.

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[QUOTE=Rysto]
For the love of God, storyteller, look at what’s happening! You think that Lakai is scum, and then you follow him on the Fretful bandwagon? That makes no sense, no sense whatsoever.
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My god. What was he thinking?

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