Bad Stuff, Need Advice

Hi. A couple of friends have had bad things happen in the past week, can use friendly advice in how to handle.

Incident 1: Friend/ex-colleague’s parents are vacationing in Brazil. Somewhere in the mountains their tour bus driver loses control, drives off an embankment, several people are killed and injured. Said friend’s father was among the fatalities; her mother is in serious but stable condition in the hospital.

Incident 2: Another friend/ex-colleague is pregnant with her first child, just started a new job, just getting ready to move into her new home in DC. We had all worked together so thought she might like to know about Friend 1. Forwarded her a note, also asked how she has been and how is the move coming, etc. Note returned today, she lost her baby last week. Went to Doctor on Monday, no heartbeat, ultrasound confirmed the worst, induced and buried.

Advice from anyone who has been involved in similar as incident 2: How to console, let her and her husband know my thoughts are with her without being intrusive, etc.

Thanks for listening.

I have not been in either situation and I am sorry to see that 2 tragedies have happened to people you care about.

As for #2 (and #1 really), you can send your friends an email and explain that you are sorry for their loss and are there for them if they need anything. Assure them that they can call on you anytime (you really have to mean this one though, and not let that 3:00AM phone call bug you). I think that if you keep it short and sincere, it will be appreciated.

My sister has miscarried twice (has three healthy kids now though).

The best thing for her was to just let her talk if she wanted and to not try to necessarily avoid the subject. I know you don’t need me to say to stay away from phrases like, “well, you can get pregnant again” or “God must’ve had a reason for taking the baby.” A card would be a nice gesture, maybe some flowers with it.

Wow, that really sucks. Hope things get better for all parties.

I might add that, after the immediacy of the E-mail, you also send a nice card to each. Maybe one of those blank-inside cards with a nice “artsy” image (Robert Mappelthorpe flowers are always good; Robert Mappelthorpe porno is almost never appropriate), with some personal “thinking of you” message handwritten inside.

Incident 2 happened to my SIL. After, she didn’t want to talk to ANYONE, however my bro did. I would send a thinking of you card and perhaps some flowers.

Make sure you included her hubbie in all messages as well though - sometimes the dads in these situations get forgotten - my brother was by some people, and he was quite hurt - its his baby too, afterall.

I hope YOUR doing ok - take care.

As someone who works in the death industry, allow me to tell you that the very best thing you can do is just listen. There is no appropriate response to this kind of tragedy. Just let them bring it up if they want to, and if they don’t want to, then don’t make them.

Flowers are nice. Also, donations to favorite charitable organizations in memory of the deceased are also a good way to show your support.

Good advice so far. Especially with the cards. Cards are much more personal than an e-mail. And BunnyGirl’s advice about what NOT to say is right on. Even though it may be true that there was “something wrong with the baby,” or “it happened for a reason,” they don’t want to hear it and it won’t help.

Is the friend in situation #1 going to be traveling to Brazil to see the mother or anything? If so you could offer to watch their house, pick up their mail, bring in the paper, water the plants, etc. Anything to help them during this time.

Sorry all this is happening. Hope things get better.

ShibbOleth, I’m glad you want to reach out to your friends. That is the most important thing. I’ve had miscarriages and had a toddler die because of leukemia so I think I can safely advise, that it’s not what you say, but that you say or do something rather than nothing because whats happened makes you uncomfortable. While it is possible to inadvertantly say something wrong. It’s amazing the number of ‘friends’ who are scarce and say nothing at all when life dishes out disaster. I admire and applaud you for wanting to know what a compassionate approach would be.

I recommend two books, both of which you can probably obtain at the library or a used bookstore, I Never Know What To Say, by Nina Herrmann Donnelley and The Art of Condolence by Leonard M Zunin, M.D. and Hilary Stanton Zunin.

That said, as to incident 1, because the death of a parent is the most common form of bereavement in the United States and touches a universal chord extreme grief in an adult child is considered by some to be unnecessary, maybe even inappropriate, your friends grief process may be stifled. Rather asking your friend how the surviving parent is holding up, focus on your friend. You friends parents will have their own support network which in fact includes your friend.

For incident 2,

I suggest you send sympathy notes to both friends. Send your sympathy not to the person with whom you have the closest relationship. (Not the parent in incident one, for example, but to your friend.)

Write promptly, send your note soon. Email is ok, but a handwritten snail mail letter is better. Any stationary is fine, butwhites, grays, pastels are better than bold colors.

Although etiquitte books tend to suggest brevity I disagree, length is not a consideration, your note can be as short or long as it needs to be to convey your sympathies and support. One of the most comforting letters I received included a story retelling an incident with my younger son, that a friend knew I missed because I was playing with her older and my older son when my son did something cute. Years have passed and I still treasure that letter, and it was not a brief note.

Write what you feel. Use the words “died” or “dead” and not “lost”, “sleep”, or “passed on”. I can’t tell you how stomache churning it is to hear someone the mourn because I “lost” my children. On the matter of what NOT to say, I recommend being careful about advising or telling your bereaved friends what to do or how to feel. When someone would say, “Buck up”, “It’s God’s will”, or “At least he’s not suffering anymore” I wanted to slap them rather than thank them for their condolences. You’ll do fine just remember that your letter or note is one of empathy and compassion. Acknowledge the death, express your sympathy, note special qualities of the deceased and recount a memory if you knew them, note a special quality of your bereaved friend, offer your help if appropriate and then close with a thoughtful word or phrase. Like “Affectionate respects to you and yours.”

Hope something here helps you,
Abby

First, thanks to everyone for the great advice.

In the case of situ #1, she is pretty well covered on this front, she just moved back into town so she has been staying with another colleague. She and her sister have been hustling to get visas arranged to get down and visit their mother, I think they are flying out of NYC today.

In the case of situ #2, I am close friends with the couple, she has always confided in me a lot about her personal life, she’s sort of like my little sister. In fact I talked her into dating him when he was first interested. The three of us played golf together a couple of weeks ago and teased her about her little round belly getting in the way (she is very petite). I didn’t mention before because I didn’t think about the relevance, but they are Chinese, she was born and raised in Shanghai and was always superstituous about things that would make no sense to most (non-Chinese) Americans. She is intelligent and well-educated, but sometimes when these things get inculcated at a young age they can be hard to shake. Similarly they are involved at all in religion from a western point of view, so I do appreciate that the advice has all been neutral on this point so far.

Three things I’ve found are perfect to say in these situations.

  1. I am so sorry.

  2. I’m here if you need me.

2a. Please don’t hesitate to let me know if you DO need me.

  1. I’ll keep you in my thoughts and/or prayers.

Other than that, listening non-judgementally is the best thing you can do. If the other person wants to cry, let them. (Join in, but only if it’s natural for you to do so.)

KEEP COMING BACK for your friend. Don’t assume after 6 months or so that “everything’s all right now”. Offer to take them to dinner, shopping, etc. In other words, make some good memories with and for them.

Just a few suggestions.

I may get flamed for being horribly crass, but in the case of #1, I would think about any finacial needs they might have. On top of a horrible, horrible tragedy, this is going to be expensive: she presumably will have to find somewhere to stay in Brazil, possibly for a long time, and she won’t have the time or the inclination to look for “good deals” or anything like that. Bills do not go away because a bigger tragedy is overwhelming you, and having to deal with something as stupid as having your credit cards maxed out because you have had to eat out three meals a day for the last six weeks because you are living at the hospital in a strange country just drains away emotional reserves that you need to fight other things. Unlesss the people involved are well off, I would say slip them $60 before you spend $60 on flowers. I would encourage mutual friends to do the same, perhaps take up a collection. This is especially true if she is not on salery and so won’t be getting paid while she’s gone. If you all work together, assurances that her job is absolutly in no danger, she should take all the time she needs, will also be welcome.(Provided that’s true). You may assume she knows this, but likely hearing it will be comforting.

In the case of #1. Do you live close? Offering a ride to the airport, or looking after her plants or pet while she’s gone, is a nice way to be helpful. You might also ask if there is anyone she wants you to help inform. Maybe you can be sure that common friends and other colleagues of yours know. I went through something like this with a friend–I couldn’t go with him to id the body or those other horrid chores he had to go through, but I did what I could on the homefront.

As for #2: What everyone else said. Acknowledge their loss sincerely and meaningfully.

Sometimes, when life hands someone such bleak things, the only bright spot they’ll find is knowing how many people care and bother to let them know.