Ban the Pit!!!!!!!!

You know what? I’m not going to defend the existence of the Pit yet again. I’m not even going to bother researching the threads in which this has been discussed ad nauseam.

I would, however, like to point out a few things…

  1. …the perception that innocent posters are lured into the Pit by a vast conspiracy of bullies is horseshit. If you have a cite for this bait and attack behavior, give us a link. Put up or shut up.

  2. …a poster who implies that he is annoyed by “bullies” who “can’t seem to respond to logic” and then proceeds to insult other posters in a manner devoid of logic is a tad hypocritical, no?

  3. …most posters who advocate the abolition of the Pit do so because the idea of an insult-ridden confrontation disturbs them. grienspace, OTOH, seems to thrive on it, if his posts in this thread indicate anything. If insults truly bothered you, you wouldn’t take an active part in insult tossing.

At best, grien, your OP is one that’s been done a million times before. But if you truly believe that your OP (and, yes, I would include the title) is valid, then defend it with the very logic that you claim is lacking in this forum. Lead by example.

Barring that, I don’t see the need for a thread whose sole purpose is for posters to toss insults around. That’s not what the Pit is for. Unless it’s my mission to lure you into starting a thread just so I can close it.

Bravo Al Bravo.

grienspace said:

But this has NOTHING to do with the thread in question. You are “attacking” oldscratch on something that has NOTHING to do with this thread. You got your panties in a wad because this thread had people that happened to have some people in it from another thread with which you took offense or somthing to.

I told you and I will say it again. I don’t get along with oldscratch, sorry oldscratch just making a point here, and you use a completely unrelated thread to draw upon some conspiracy when others are responding in like to what he said? So what does that say about the rest of us that agree with his position?

Look grienspace, your logic fails me. You really must be grasping for straws here to cover your ass for I can’t find any other reasoning behind your posts that continue to bring up oldscratch…OY, you must have it bad for him, I think Rasa might take offense to that. :wink:

I think grienspace is about to check into Hotel Freak Freely.

Thanks for the laughs BTW…

grienspace: In my couple of months on this board I have only posted one other time in the pit, so I haven’t yet experienced these Bully Tactics ™ that you so lovingly speak of.

Also in my short time here I have grown to respect such posters as Crunchy Frog, oldscratch, among others who have not posted here. I have even had the great pleasure of meeting some of these folks at various DopeFests and spoken with them via email, ICQ, and IM’s.

You want to know something. Not once have we EVER discussed ganging up on someone. Not a single time. Why waste our time on people like you? We have much more pressing interests in mind. Like fighting ignorance, saving the world and bringing down corrupt leaders of industry.

In closing I would just like to say:

You are a sniveling worm and you go down on the striated meat sabre of a cock quafing leprechan! You are the poster child for abortion you sycophant.

How do you get from the half dozen people I listed to* vast*?

That is a very good point! It works both ways!

I can’t see how I have insulted anyone personally other than the charges I have made regarding a small conspiracy for which I very recently provided a link. And I hardly think Upham would feel insulted if I suggested that he easily gets postal.

Unfortunately, this is as good as it gets.Its not a very good argument, and doesn’t deserve the attention its getting. It was only an opinion, but as I understand it this opinion belongs in the pit.

I just wanted to point out more aspects of 'space’s idiocy…

The numbers that opposed his view? All, what, two of 'em?

If they admitted to it, it’s not “secret”, is it? Dumbass.

This isn’t even an issue. If his efforts to make you less-stupid didn’t work in GD, why would it work in the Pit? His Pit thread was made to A: blow off steam, and B: make sure that the facts are presented. He says as much in the now-closed thread.

But you didn’t respond to his arguments. You shouted a bunch of names.

So you admit to posting simply to get attention. You know what that’s called, right?

If he created a “false impression of the political environment”, debunk that impression. Don’t whine about it, you jackass.

That’s a lame argument. What are you going to do next, compare Oldscratch to Hitler?

Didn’t Danielinthewolvesden start a thread about that a bit back?

“Wah, wah, wah, they’ve proved me wrong so I’ll just pretend they don’t exist, wah, wah, wah!”

As one of the newbies on this board I just want to say I agree with you…

The title of this board, I mean, calling it the BBQ pit is by no means enough information to let any newbies know that there happy ass might get FLAMED in here if they can’t make a cognizant argument. That teensy weensy little description after the board namer where it SAYS that this is the FUCKING PLACE for flaming, Noooooooo that didn’t give it away at all. SO I think, just for people of your amazing caliber the board should include a free downloadable Shit-O-Meter monitors the level of crap you are spewing out of your ass and warns you BEFORE you get yourself in trouble. In fact, I think I will start programming one right now, shall I just forward you a copy right to your email address when I’m through?

Untill, then as CAPTIAN newbie (I don’t think many people have less posts than me) I advise you to know when to say when. If you feel like that shit might be piling up, just stop, yes I repeat, just stop. That way you won’t get your feelings hurt, and the rest of us won’t have to read your drivel.

Thank you, I now return you to your regularlsy scheduled rant.
You are such a shitbrain, it even amazes my dog.

grienspace:

Now you are just being difficult… :rolleyes: Even I can do better than that when I have a group of people who disagree with my statements.

So a great number in this thread disagree with you but vast must mean to you that hundreds or thousands should disagree with you before Alphagene can say the word. But, I refer to the words, great in number, and the great in number versus the amount that agree with you means the vast amount of people in this thread disagree with you.

OY, come on grienspace, you can do better than that.

Okay, this is becoming too entertaining. I 'spose I should consider hitting my Hannibal book and enjoy the man who is a cannibal rather than the person who likes to hang himself.

grienspace:

Hey, I disagreed with you, can I be in the conspiracy? I’m anxiously awaiting my membership card and complimentary coffee mug.

Umm… English isn’t your first language, is it? Either that or you were reading a different thread than I was.

And I’d like to bring up a comment you made in the original thread that spawned all of this:

You’re right, fighting ignorance isn’t easy. In both the GD and the Pit thread about APBTs, you were presented with a preponderance of evidence that contradicted nearly everything you had to say about pit bulls. You didn’t seem at all inclined to “review” any of it, but instead clung to a single statistic and a dubious source. In view of that, I’d say that the Pit is the perfect place for you.

Speaking of which, I need to get out of here. I don’t post that often, and my last four or five posts have been in the Pit. I’m going to go find a nice “Simpsons”-related thread in IMHO and try to relax. Have a nice day.

AquaPura! Fellow newbie! Please don’t tell me you let your dog read this stuff! Especially grienspace’s stuff! Aw no! Animal cruelty!

:slight_smile:

As a very new newbie, I think I can give an opinion here. MMMM now lets see, I wouldent say my IQ was any better than the average person, but even I can see that if you come in here in response to threads and say something stupid that warents a flame,your gonna get it! Isnt the pit here for a reason? Like, the fact the moderators would rather any bad feeling ect be taken out here rather than clogging up the other forums with it? DUH! I would say so. Now let me get this right, your accusing oldscratch and co of ganging up on people in here because they happen to feel that as its <insert day of the week>,therefore it must be pick on <insert posters name> day, and you feel thats a reason to ban the pit? Well, I’v lurked here for quite some time and havent seen anything of the sort. And the reason I feel qaulified to say that is because I know not a single soul here and have absolutely NO reason to agree with anyone, but I just had to write and disagree with you grienspace because I’v never seen anyone gloss over questions you get asked about your OP quite as much as you(that can only be because you dont have the answers) so my advice to you would be (take it or leave it at your peril) back down admit your wrong and maybe you’ll be let of the hook.

grienspace, what the hell is going on?

One month and one day ago, you told us all goodbye when manhattan moderated, in your view, inappropriately. Yet, you were back a few days later, posting as regularly as before.

Now this. You want to abolish the Pit, or so the thread title leads us to believe. You then proceed by dodging questions, insulting people yourself (thereby risking hurting their li’l feelings, something your OP set out to avoid, remember?), and generally making an ass out of yourself.

Maybe the intention to leave was a good one, grienspace. I honestly don’t think this message board is the right place for you. Don’t see this as a witch hunt, but just as my personal opinion - this board ain’t for everybody, and you seem to have a hard time fitting in here. Not your fault, not ours. Just the way it seems to be.

Just to remind you all, we can’t outright call greinspace a troll, or claim he is using a sockpuppet in this thread.

just a quick reminder y’all.

I only have one thing to say right now since I am in a hurry.

grienspace, you’re an ass.

Hey, thanks a fucking lot, fellow asshole Pit Bullies, for not notifying me last night to help plan our attack on grienspace.

Wait a minute! What’s that red blinking light? Oh hell! The darn battery on my Pit Bull Alert system had run out.

What I like best about this thread is that some guy I’ve never really taken much notice of before, saw fit to take it upon himself to go out of his way tp clearly impress upon thousands of people that he is an idiot. Gotta love it!

grienspace, exactly what type of response did you expect in the Pit? An outporing of widespread appreciation for you as the one who finally tells the truth? Mindless rabid ranting to confirm your position? A well-tempered debate of whatever propositions you believe your OP presents? Comforting? Or something else?

Was the nature, size, and speed of the responses you have received what you expected/desired?

Like reprise, I want to know why there was a conspiracy that we weren’t invited to!!!

I could be a good conspirator. Really, I could.
::sniff::
I’m sooo hurt.
::sniff::

Greenspieces, you got yer but BBQ’d. Be a man and accept it.

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quote:

…it even amazes my dog.

AquaPuraP- hilarious!

k- why don’t you guys see what he’s doing? this is deliberate ‘slow boat fishing’ and this guy has these incredible fingers- he’s playing you all like violins- he might be ‘slow fishing’, but ya’ll are the ones rising to the bait every time and with gusto.
now, I’m not saying this is a bad thing- I posit that every body here is enjoying this, at some level, in their own particular style, and according to the forum decription, this is exactly what this forum is for, and it’s a noble purpose, actually. It’s fun, ya get to blow off steam, in whatever fashion- gs does it by pricking everybodies skin, lots of others in this thread seem to do it by well, just blowing superheated steam. He’s getting off on being a target, and the rest of us are getting off on having a target. (so, lest anyone mistake my meaning here- i am assuredly not suggesting that we all make up and be friends- that would just ruin the happy status quo :P)
point is, it’s a good thing, and it’s fun! (given the stated purpose of this forum, i still don’t quite understand why scratches thread was locked- i submit that everyone involved was just totally getting huge therapy…:D-but I’m not a mod, so I don’t know all the parameters of the decision)
Anyway, gs wouldn’t want the pit shut down anymore than anyone else would, see?
And since this thread is a thinly veiled attempt to continue the good times had in scratches thread (and it’s working- kudos, gs), and since others have referenced said thread, i would like to address one of the legitimate questions i saw there- to wit, what exactly are a pit bulls warning signs?
As i stated in that thread, i raised pits for a number of years, and additionally, am a dog owner of some 35 years.
these are the warnings i have noticed, and can say that i have seen specimens of all breeds i have any passing familiarity with display these signs- they are not idiosyncratic of pits. I have noticed though, that of the flashier types of warnings, pits engage in these much les than other breeds.
spectacular lunging, barking, growling, snarling, like cartooniverse described.
more subdued snarling
chest nudging another dog- putting their head over the back/neck of the other dog
some to pay careful attention to
a stillness in which they may or may not snarl softly, may or may not raise their lips. they can be in any position, it’s the lightly bunched stillness to look for. they may look directly at you, or they may focus intensely to the side of you, not looking directly at you- this type in particular watch. this stillness may not be accompanied by any other particular behaviour, but bears watching just the same.
another is when they are watching you, tracking you with their eyes- and not displaying any signs of friendliness- this doesn’t mean imminent attack, but don’t capriciously fuck with any dog that is doing this to you.
one physical sign is a stripe of raised hair down their back, kinda reminiscent of a rhodesian ridgeback, or one of those curly golden retrievers.
I think that is it for the most part, i probably left some out.

one more thing- if i haven’t raised a dog, i am aware of it-especially a pit- they are pretty highly bred, and in my experience, a pure bred is more high-strung than a mutt, in general. so if i haven’t raised it, i am more um, aware of it, respectful or cautious i guess, though those are a little stronger than what im trying to convey, than if i have raised the dog.

thank you
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o and btw-
i have reveled in my status as white/trailer trash
(i occasionally refer to it as beige mobile home refuse…)
i am proud, yes, proud to add the appellation
pit bully
to my suspect list of credentials

thassss soooo beautifullll

scratchie, does this mean I’m part of your posse now. :smiley:

And grienspace, I did in fact participate in the GD thread. I was actually the first on who made the point that if APBTs are banned, then people wanting an aggressive dog will simply move on to another breed. Shall we then ban GSDs, Rotties, Dobies, Belgian Shepherds, Ridgies, etc. I also posted a link to an APBT FAQ, which was quite obviously ignored.

The reason I dropped out was that I couldn’t believe the level of ignorance being shown in that thread. Not a surprise, considering you are one of the main participants.

Oh, and one more thing, grienspace. You’re a wanker.