Bank robber with cold feet. Should he be charged anyway?

David Lumpkin is very clearly not the sharpest tool in the shed. He planned a bank robbery(poorly), went into the bank twice, but got too scared to go through with it. He got so nervous(and was such an idiot), in fact, that he got arrested with the holdup note in his pocket as he was walking back in. Now police want to charge him with attempted robbery, even though he never got around to actually attempting it. According to this article the only other charge they have on this moron is receiving stolen goods, because the car he was driving was reported stolen. They didn’t charge him with stealing it. They didn’t charge him with carrying a weapon, either, I noticed, so I wonder if he had one.

I’m kind of leery of the authorities getting to charge him with attempted robbery. This guy’s behavior reminds me a bit of an occasion when I was deeply tempted to shoplift something. I had the item in my pocket and headed for the door several times before I came to my senses and left without it. If I had been caught in the store, would I have been charged? Should I have been? Should this guy go to jail or should he be given the benefit of the doubt that his conscience or common sense would have taken hold?

If he was walking IN then its attempted robbery, if he had changed his mind and was on the way out then no. If you had been caught with the item inside the store before changing your mind then yes you were shoplifting, even if you didn’t make it out the door.

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He never produced the note. It’s not attempted robbery. Any decent first year law student could get this case tossed (except for the stolen car bit).

Having store items in your pocket will get you arrested even if you didn’t leave the store and even if you were undecided if you were going to carry through with it.

The best time to work this out is before the action, not during.

In my teen days of working in grocery stores, the policy was that it wasn’t shoplifting until they attempted to leave the store. I asked a couple of people who work at Wal-Mart, and they told me the same thing. No theft until they take it through the door.

Can you walk us through the specifc rules concerning inchoate attempt crimes, and then show how this case fails to meet them?

Or, why not just tell us what you think, Bricker? :slight_smile:

Regardless of what the law says, many stores take this approach to cover their asses. The second someone sees you put something in your pocket, you can bet that security will follow everywhere you though. The police might be able to arrest you beforehand, but it is unlikely that any LEOs will be nearby in time.

Did you happen to know these Walmart employees? Because I am imagining you going to a random employee and querying them about store security policies. “So, if I were to hypothetically steal this DVD here, which door is the easiest to get out of”? :smiley:

I would, but my opinion is so different than the one shared by jtgain that I feel my analysis must be missing something important.

From here.

I should have qualified it with “in some States” and also “in some countries.”

Can’t “attempted” robbery mean the same thing as “conspiracy to commit robbery” but without the whole multiple-people thing? I’d bet that you don’t have to actually try to carry out the robbery in order to get nailed for it. They only have to prove that you intended to do it.

Otherwise, police would never be able to intervene when they learn that a bank robbery is going to take place until the criminal hands over the note and potentially puts a lot of innocent people in danger.

Yup. When I worked at 7-11, they told us the same thing. It’s not stealing until they walk out. Because the person can always say, I WAS going to buy it, but didn’t have a cart or some other lame excuse for having it in their pocket.

IANA Lawyer (or a bank robber) but if he possessed a note saying “GIMME YOUR MONEY” that’s a very clear sign of intent to rob the bank, and the intention to commit a crime is critical in American law. It’s the same situation with pedophiles who make a date with some kid on the Internet who turns out to be an FBI agent…even though no crime was committed, the intent to commit a crime is what gets them arrested.

Nervous criminals can be more dangerous than career criminals (they could fire the gun accidentally, etc.) so I’m glad this guy’s off the street.

So if I was walking around with a note that said “GIMME YOUR MONEY,” is that a crime? Is it only a crime if it’s in my pocket and I’m in a bank or convenience store and I’m nervous? What if I’m only walking around the bank with the note in my pocket?

He would have been in real trouble if he had been carrying a gub.

There seem to be a number of us who don’t understand why he is charged. Here’s a chance for you to educate us.

The law of attempt will of course vary from state to state, and I don’t know the specifics of Ohio’s rules. That said, I can talk about the general principles surrounding inchoate crimes.

An “inchoate” offense is the crime of preparing, planning, agreeing, offering or seeking to commit a criminal act. Conspiracy is the inchoate crime of agreeing with others to commit a criminal act. Solicitation is the inchoate crime of offering to commit a criminal act.

Then we have attempt. Attempt is the inchoate crime of seeking or preparing to commit a crime. In order for the crime of attempt to be complete, generally the rule is that the accused must have the requisite mens rea - the guilty mental state - that he intends to commit the underlying crime. He must take a step towards the crime that goes beyond the merely prepatory, some step strongly proximate to the actual commission of the crime.

Renunciation is an affirmative defense to the crime of attempt. Renunciation is the voluntary abandonment of the criminal purpose by the accused before the completion of the underlying crime. “Voluntary” is the key word here. Renunciation may not be forced upon the accused by any outside event, or even by the realization that it now seems more likely that the accused will be detected or caught, or the objective seems more difficult than it did at the beginning of the course of conduct. Renunciation does not happen if the accused merely decides to shift the time, location, or target of his criminal intent.

Generally, the burden to prove renunciation is on the accused, and he must prove it by preponderance of the evidence.

The initial intent and the prepatory act(s) must be proved by the prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt, and the question of whather the prepatory act is sufficiently proximate to the intended underlying crime is a question of fact for the fact-finder (the jury, or the judge in a bench trial) to resolve.

With that as a background on attempt and the possible defense thereto, let’s look at what happened here.

The accused donned a long fake beard, a dark baseball cap, sunglasses and a blazer. He wrote a note that said, “This is a robury Give me all the money in both dawers No one will get hurt!!! [sic” He walked into a bank.

If the fact-finder believes these facts, it seems to me pretty obvious that they may infer the intent to rob the bank, and that they may find these acts were prepatory and sufficiently proximate to the actual crime as to meet the requirement for attempt. With no other evidence, this record is legally suffficient to convict for the crime of attempted robbery, in my opinion.

Of course, the accused may claim that he intended to renounce his attempt. This will, in my opinion, be a difficult sell for the fact-finder to accept, given his back-and-forth, in-and-out. The prosecution will argue that he merely felt nervous about the chances of success at each juncture, not that he had abandoned his criminal purpose. They will point to his re-entry of the first bank to show that his first departure was not an abandonment, and his journey to the third bank to show that his second departure was not abandonment, and then ask why should we believe that his third course was any different?

Since he must prove his abandonment by preponderance of the evidence, he must convince the fact finder that, in the end, he decided to abandon his criminal act, not just because it seemed more difficult or because it seemed more likely he would be caught, but out of a genuine desire not to commit the crime. Since he apparently told the police that he “chickened out,” the prosecution will argue that he was afraid of getting caught or hurt, not that he wanted to abandon his crime voluntarily.

It’s certainly possible for the fact-finder to credit the accused’s testimony and find that he abandoned his criminal purpose. But I find it more likely that they would not.

In any event, in my view that finding would be an uphill battle, certainly not a case that “Any decent first year law student could get tossed,” as jtgain suggested. So I’m very curious to hear jtgain’s analysis of the situation, and see what I might have missed in my own analysis.

So does this mean if I lift something from the shelf at Wal-Mart and stuff it in my pocket and they have video evidence of me doing this, but then I change my mind and put the item back on the shelf. Am I off the hook? What if I abandon the item just before I head out the door? Am I off scot-free?

There are two possibilites, and both are highly dependent on your state’s particular laws. This is not legal advice or intended to apply to the facts of your particular case, and I urge you to consult an attorney licensed to practice in your jurisdiction for advice specific to your jurisdiction.

If you simply change your mind, not because you see that they’re watching you or you notice a theft detector at the doot, but simply out of a desire to not commit the crime, then you probably have a good way to prove that you abandoned your original criminal purpose, and you probably couldn’t be charged with attempted theft.

However, it might too late: many states have merchandise concealment laws, and in such a state, the crime is complete the moment you stuff the item in your pocket intending to hide it. This is not an inchoate crime: it’s an actual crime, and once it’s complete, you can’t renounce it.