I’ve heard a few angles from some of the hardline Sanders supporters both here and in the general media. Can you tell me which you endorse?
Clinton fans and Sanders fans who plan on strongly supporting Clinton after the nomination phase is done (and these include those who have long felt that Sanders is a send a message candidate and also those who had hopes for an upset but who now believe that there is no current realistic path to achieving that and see Clinton “on her worst day” as an “infinitely better” option than Trump) should relax because there is no risk that Trump can win. She will win handily. Not to worry about any harm that Sanders unilateral attacks against her, the divisive rhetoric, Hillary hate stoking, and the refrain that she is crookedly stealing an election from him by rigging the system and cheating, may cause for the general.
Clinton is at high risk of losing against Trump and should be brought down by whatever means necessary so that the supers realize that only Sanders can win the general and give it to him despite a pledged delegate and popular vote loss.
Trump and a GOP Congress would be no worse of an option than Clinton and possibly a Democratic Congress, or at least Senate.
Trump and a GOP Congress would be better than Clinton because it would explode the whole thing and force a revolution. (The Sarandon perspective.)
Christ, that is a depressing read. Here’s hoping more Sanders supporters start jumping off this runaway train. And here’s hoping Clinton’s California supporters turn out in the numbers needed to shut this nonsense down.
Actually, I think everyone but you will find that my analogy is perfectly apt.
That is, unless the Patriots are perpetrating an anti-Rams conspiracy. Then it’s a totally different scenario. Are you aware of how little network coverage the Rams got in my scenario?
Funny you should mention that, because I was just thinking from the other thread that some Bernie supportters remind me of the Bolsheviks, who called themselves the majority and the Mensheviks the minority, even though the numbers were at least initially the other way around.
A better analogy is that, despite the fact that he’s obviously losing, Bernie Sanders threatening to injure the opposition in garbage time so that she can’t take on her next opponent. It would be like the Okalhoma City Thunder trying to take out Steph Curry, Draymond Green, and Klay Thompson in the waning minutes of game 5 or 6. If Bernie can’t represent the progressive cause, nobody can. After all, he’s the only real progressive running.:rolleyes:
Are you seriously going to claim that Bernie can win? We all know it: Clinton needs around 90 delegates to clinch the nomination. She could stop campaigning right now and still clinch owing to proportional allocation.
But you can believe in unicorns and benevolent Trumps all you want…more power to you.
Let’s make a bet. If Bernie wins the nomination, I’ll vote for him. If Clinton wins, you have to vote for her.
I will simplify this by saying none of those. I’m not a Bernie Bro. There is some non-zero possibility that the super delegates decide Hillary is a loser and switch to Bernie if Hillary doesn’t lock it up in pledged delegates, but there’s also a non-zero possibility that all the air molecules in this room move to the other side and I suffocate.
Hillary has a serious image problem and whining about Bernie and his supporters reinforces that in people who haven’t already decided to vote for her. It is not a positive message.
Just to clarify and speaking just myself and myself alone. I do not think recognizing and stating out loud that Sanders, who many of us had originally perceived as a man of integrity and ethics just not the best candidate running, is a delusional putz, is whining about him. YMMV.
But you want to play RealPolitik. Choices are what choices are. Sanders has made it clear that harm to the broad November ticket does not matter to him as much as prolonging his time getting attention and believing he has relevance does. He has made it crystal clear that he does not play well with others. Should team Clinton just smile and say “Yassir! All our fault sir! We’ll of course be more welcoming to those who make death threats when things don’t go their way! Our apologies for getting our faces in the way of your fists!”?
Is that the way to win over those who haven’t already decided to vote for her and to mobilize those who have? Or perhaps is that the way to lose them most efficiently?
So what is the play? You as candidate ignore and continue to pivot to the general but that does not mean that those of us who do not have to worry about acting presidential cannot call a putz a putz. Least poor option there is. The possibility exists that the putz gets enough pressure from allies that even he realizes that he harms his agenda more than helps it by attempting to kneecap the standard bearer.
Oh dear Lord have mercy, Democrats - please don’t nominate Bernie. Because the GOfuckingP is going to nominate Trump.
I can take an anti-acid and a couple of stiff drinks and vote for Hillary. But I could be blind drunk and in the terminal stages of Alzheimer’s and I couldn’t pull the lever for the senior Senator from La-La Land.
What’s he not doing is surrendering and giving up on his cause just to elect Hillary.
Amazingly enough vulgar slang words for male genitalia applied to people has a different meaning and connotation than do vulgar slang words for female genitalia.
Kind of a funny thing. Similarly the word that applies to a male dog ready to breed is “stud” and the word that applies to a female dog ready to breed is “bitch” … yet calling a man “a stud” means something different than calling a woman “a bitch.” I know. Poor oppressed males, right?
For those who may not know, “putz” like “schmuck” derives from Yiddish for penis and “it describes a person as foolish or without value, usually someone who does not contribute to society or a family”. “Putz” is stronger than “schmuck” as a schmuck is just an idiot or at most a jerk and a putz is usually seriously malicious. To the best of my knowledge, there is no insulting Yiddish vulgar crude word derived from the word for female genitalia. But feel free to call Clinton a “shmundie” or a “knish”.
I feel your pain. A few months ago, I thought, sure I could vote for Bernie. Now I realize, nuh-uh, no way. He would be a disaster for the country. Trump honestly might be less of one than him.
I wouldn’t care. Unlike Bernie supporters who can’t handle the slightest criticism of thier candidate. You are seriously whining someone called him a putz?
This one’s been being shared on my Facebook by Sanders supporters the past couple days.
She’s a tough woman she can handle criticism, I don’t need to rush to her rescue.
I think caucuses are unwise, as they exacerbate the already extant primary problem (only the most dedicated participate, leading to a heavy skew). But unfair?
