Well, at least not every liberal is a mean spirited dork.
But it does seem like every Libertarian is a mean spirited goofball who thinks the country’s worst problem is high taxes. Now your giving the impression that their dissingenuous as well. I have never seen you complain about racism untill now when you feel the need to attack some dipstick cause she is the personification of that which you feel is Libralism. Chill on this one Lib, it ain’t going anyplace you want to be. Hope this doesn’t mean we can’t still be friends.
What do you mean you have “never seen”? You haven’t been here a month. I’ve been posting for five years. Have you lurked for five years? I’m an equal opportunity basher of liberals and conservatives. When I talk about Bush’s Gestapo, for example, I don’t mean it in a positve way.
I was going to post a “still holding out for the punchline of this parody” post, but it has been done to death.
I’ll just say: Lib, do you truly think that Streisand is a racist?
Truly?
If this is really about how liberals can make jokes based on race and people laugh, while conservatives making the same joke would get dead silence, then you may have a point. But insisting that Streisand is a racist over this just looks silly.
Listen to yourself! By equal-opportunity basher, you mean that you bash Barbara Streisand’s half-assed joke equally with Bush’s long record of cutting back on civil rights?
This is in the same sense that I’m an equal-opportunity basher of liberals and conservatives. Hey, Clinton bombed a medicine factory in Sudan in an effort to distract people from his sexual indiscretions, effectively murdering people for propaganda purposes – but hey!look! George Bush Sr. puked at a Japanese dinner, the evil bastard!
That’s some bizarre sense of equivalence you got there. Best to apologize abashedly for a ridiculous OP and back away slowly.
Daniel
Nightime
I didn’t say that Barbra Streisand is a racist. I said that she did not deserve to be applauded and encouraged for this particular racial slur. I certainly don’t think she meant to raise the rebel flag. But as I’ve already said, she made a point of how important what she says and does really is, because she has so much exposure. This is the sort of thing that racists can point to and claim a double-standard. Why is it okay for Barbra? There is absolutely no reason to cut her slack on this. The only remotely reasonable argument offered has been that she is not generally seen as a racist, and so therefore deserves the benefit of the doubt. But heck, I can’t even get an acknowledgment that it even meant what it looked like. That’s not benefit of the doubt; that’s shielding from responsibility. If what she says is important, then let her watch what she says and how she says it — verbally or otherwise.
Hell no! No one gets his shit together once and for all. Do they?
Libertarian, if I had received the same message from Streisand’s gesture that you had, I would also be offended. If I were made aware that women of color are ashamed of having curvaceous buttocks, I would give it serious thought. If Streisand began to make obvious racial remarks, I would gladly join another pitting of her.
{Aside to Lib – Interesting list of questions in your post above. Is support for these positions generally considered libertarian, just the liberal side of libertarianism or something else all together? (Pardon my ignorance and don’t you dare jump on me for asking.)}
In her day? In her day? Why, she’s only a year older than I and I’m in me prime!
Daniel
I’ve bashed plenty of liberal politicians for their tyrannical acts. I bashed Clinton and I bash Bush. And I’ve bashed plenty of conservative pundits. I did a whole parody thread of Ann Coulter. I’ve said many times there ain’t a dime’s worth of difference.
Thank you, Zoe.
Libertarians are the so-called “classical liberals”, believing that people should have freedom in both their personal and fiscal lives. Liberals these days are what used to be called “centrists”, striving always to compromise for the sake of political expedience. All the positions I listed above recognize the rights of individuals and the sacredness of consent. Thomas Jefferson was a classical liberal who wrote in the Declaration of Indepence that government derives its just powers from the consent of those it governs. Government was made for man, not man for government.
Thread title: Barbra Streisand’s racist ass
I think it’s easy to see why we might have thought otherwise.
Hey Lib,
I know I have only been posting here for less than a month, and you have been doing it for 5 freakin years, which means you are better than me. But you still have not provided an example of where you stood up for African Americans that was not based on an attempt to bash a Liberal. Just curious, since you are so concerned about alleged insults to African American women, are you a member of NAACP or are you as I bet, a member of the NRA?
Does this thread have a different title for you than for me?
Hold on, hold on. A “slur” is an insult. You’ve offered no evidence at all that she shook her ass insultingly. And if what she made was a racial comment as opposed to a slur, then your case falls apart. “We whities boil like a lobster under the open sun” is a racial comment; surely nobody would find that offensive.
Let them, but don’t help them. If they point to it, they’re not making a legitimate point; instead of chastizing Babs for a nonissue, chastize the racists for their racism and for making intellectually bankrupt arguments to defend their racism.
So monstro’s point that this isn’t offensive isn’t remotely reasonable? I mean, that’s not even her case to prove: it’s your case to explain why, assuming Barbara was saying that black women have got bigger butts (not something I’m convinced of), that’s any more offensive than if she’d said white women have got more freckles.
Daniel
Lib, thanks for the explanation.
I haven’t quite reconciled myself to all of the implications of supporting the ideas on your list. Maybe if we could all agree to be free to arm ourselves with muskets, I would be won over. Sorry to hijack. I’ll stop. I was just interested.
Again, thanks.
Zoe
She made a racist gesture with her ass. It is her ass that was racist. People have already admitted that, had Ann Coulter done the exact same thing, it would be a racist gesture. The implication being, of course, that conservatives are racist but liberals aren’t. That’s just not satisfactory to me.
Daniel
As I said before, she should have told Lipton that that was not an appropriate question, just as she would likely have told a Fox News reporter.
No. You said she had a racist ass (see the glaring title of this thread).
How is shaking one’s butt suggestively a “racial slur”.
There is nothing inherently wrong with big butts. The fact that you seem to think so is YOUR problem.
Let’s see…you’ve called this thing a “tragedy” and said that she was getting away with murder. You don’t think she raised the rebel flag…you think she started the freakin Civil War and killed Abraham Lincoln!
Because she didn’t do anything that was offensive, fool.
Aren’t Christians supposed to be forgiving? Wouldn’t Christ give Streisand the benefit of the doubt?
What is wrong with this argument?
Even if it was what you think it looked like, SO WHAT?! Do you really think black people are that hypersensitive to get worked up about someone making fun of our big black asses?
Why should she watch what she says and how she says it? She’s a freaking entertainer, not a school teacher.
You’re being a silly little attention-whore, Libertarian.
Idiot. I addressed that twice just above your post.
Then you must be my pimp.
You and I both know that that’s not even worthy of response.
Me either. Please don’t assume that lissener speaks for all liberals. If Ann Coulter had done this, or indeed if she ever makes any comment that points in a non-disparaging fashion toward a physical trait often held by a particular ethnic or racial group, I double-dog promise not to call her a racist for it. And you’ll never find me saying that conservatives are racist but liberals aren’t.
Why was the question inappropriate? That’s what I don’t get.
Daniel
Why all this fuss over Bab’s opinionated donkey?
Daniel
Look at the transcript. She had just told him that the guy turned her down at first because he couldn’t tell if she was black or white. And then Lipton said, “Was it the look of you or the sound of you?”. That is a completely inappropriate — not to mention stupid — question. Come to think of it, part of her antics might have been intented to convey exactly that point.
Hmm. I wonder if that might be what she meant. In other words, perhaps her gesture was meant not to insult blacks but rightfully to insult Lipton. I concede that that is possible.