Runners on first and third, one out. The hitter bounces into a double play. The runner crosses the plate before the second (third) out is made; this run does not count (is this correct?).
Now, same situation. The guy on first is thrown out at second, the runner from third crosses the plate, then the first baseman muffs the throw from second. The runner turns the wrong way and finds himself in a rundown. After several back-and-forth throws, he is eventually thrown out. Does the run count?
I realize that if I’m wrong about the run not counting in the first scenario, the second scenario is moot. However, if I am correct in the first scenario, the run not counting in the second would seem very strange.
I believe no runs can count on a play if the batter doesn’t make it safely to first base. In scenario one that means no runs can score no matter the timing.
In the second scenario once the batter has reached first base safely it becomes a timing issue.
Bases loaded, no outs. Fly ball into shallow center, centerfielder makes an amazing diving catch, and quickly doubles the runner out at second before he can tag up. Runner at first gets back, but trips on the base, and they catch him in a rundown. Meanwhile during the rundown, the runner at third didn’t tag up, but crosses home before the rundown results in the third out.
Before the fielding team heads for the dugout, they appeal at third base, and get the runner out. Quadruple play!
This is not correct. In the OP’s scenario, if the throw to first if pulls the first basemen off the bag but toward the runner and he tags the runner out, the run will score if the runner at third crosses the plate before the batter is tagged out.
If the batter/runner is tagged out for the third out before he reaches first base, no run can score. It makes no difference whether the base is touched before he gets there or if he is tagged before he gets there (or strikes out, for example.)
4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.
(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning.
EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a
play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first
base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is
declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.
As a further clarification: it’s a forceout if a runner who is forced to run is tagged before making it to the next base. That is, it’s not necessary for the base to be tagged for it to be a forceout.
This is not quite right. No runs can score on a play in which the batter doesn’t make it safely to first and hat is the third out, bu tit can on other cases. For example, runners on first and third with one out. Batter grounds out to first baseman as runner scores. Runner originally on first rounds second and is caught for third out after runner crosses the plate. This run counts.
However, runners on second and third one out: Batter singles. First runner scores, second runner is thrown out trying to score as batter takes second. Defense then appeals that batter missed first base. This is the third out and no runs count.