Are there actual DC or other comics where Batman defeats Superman? Can someone spoil these stories for me? How does Batman defeat Superman? Does he kill Superman?
Thanks in advance.
The Dark Knight Returns, a miniseries from the '8, by Frank Miller.
It starts out some years after Bruce Wayne “retired” from being Batman. He’s older, a little clunkier, not as spry as his olden days. He takes up the mantle again, and we follow Batsy’s adventures as he fights new kinds of criminals with much more brutal and violent tactics.
Public opinion swings against him, and Superman comes to try to take him down.
A super-strong roboticized Batsuit, and lots of planning.
SPOILER FOR THE ENDING:
[spoiler]Batsy actually fakes his own death during the fight, using a serum that makes his body cold and stiff as if he were dead, but then revives his functions after some time. They bury him and everything, but he has some of his friends retrieve his body after his heart starts pumping again.
At the funeral, Clark actually hears his heart start beating again. The panel where he realizes Bruce is still alive actually portrays Superman with a look of relief on his face. A very touching moment.[/spoiler]
No.
It should be pointed out that, prior to the fight, Superman was just caught up in a H-bomb blast, so he wasn’t exactly at his strongest.
I’m sure if Batsy wanted to kill Supesy, he woulda brought kryptonite.
Damn, I MEANT to say it was from the '80s. '8 would be about when Christ was just starting third grade.
Okay, this is a little complex, bear with me.
Lex Luthor used to a finger ring with a kryptonite jewel. Eventually, the kryptonite radiation caused him to get cancer, and he lost the hand. Superman managed to get hold of Luthor’s ring, IIRC he kept it in a lead box to protect himself.
Eventually, Superman gave the ring to Batman for safekeeping. The reasoning was something like, people had tried to mind0control Superman before, so Batman might need a weapon to use, just in case.
A bit later, there was a crossover story running in all the superhero books. The premise was, in the future the world is ruled by a masked tyrant- nobody knows who he is, except that he was once a great superhero. A scientist transforms himself into an energy being, capable of time travel. He travels back to shortly before the dawn of the tyrant, intending to stop his rise. By touching someone, he can see possible stories from their future. He visited each hero in turn to see their possible stories. Superman had three books, so he got three different and mutually exclusive stories. In one of them, superman marries Lois, they try to have a baby, but she dies from severe wounds after being kicked by superfoetus. Nasty. In another story, Superman becomes President of the USA.
In the third story, terrorists detonate a nuclear bomb, killing Lois and a lot of other folk. Superman goes crazy, becomes obsessed with forcing the World to give up nukes. After he sinks an American nuclear submarine, killing some sailors, the government ask Batman to stop him. Batman vkills Superman with Luthor’s ring.
He did bring kryptonite. Despite the robobatsuit he was beginning to lose when Ollie North shot a kryptonite arrow at Superman, giving Batman back the advantage.
(I so hope my girlfriend doesn’t read this!)
I’m fairly sure it was a different “Oliver” who was helping Batman.
Ollie something then. Dang my aged memory!
Oliver Queen, the Green Arrow. And the character is such a bleeding-heart liberal that he’d be indignant to be mistaken for Oliver North! 
That’s badass bleeding-heart liberal to you, bub. 
(North vs. Queen? I’ll put my money on the archer…)
In Batman 612, Batman and Superman slug it out.
Poison Ivy is mind controlling Superman. Batman comes to Metropolis, he even makes reference to being “prepared for him (Superman)”.
They fight it out in a sewer. Batman repeatedly hits Superman with the Kryptonite ring, and blasts him with hypersonics until Superman freezes Batman’s hand with arctic breath. Batman blinds Supes with a flash of bright light, tricking the weakened Superman into punching a high-voltage junction box.
All of this slows Superman down long enough for Catwoman to kidnap Lois and throw her off of a tall building. When Superman catches her, he’s out of Ivy’s range and comes to his senses.
Batman “wins” in that he achieves his goal of freeing Superman, but it’s highly unlikely he’d have beaten Superman if they were each going at it full tilt.
isnt there a storyline where batmans “just in case” plans are stolen and used to defeat almost every major member of the justice league?
That’s a big ‘yes’ for the pervert pontiff. JLA current series, ‘Tower of Babel’ storyline, available in Trade Paperback form.
Ignoring Elseworlds and alternate realities, they really don’t scrap much. They have fought before, though. I have a fairly memorably-covered issue of World’s Finest (from back in the pre-Crisis days) depicting Batman, in Kryptonite gloves, beating Superman to a pulp.
What CandidGamera said. But I can recap it. This information is almost 7 years old now, so i’m not really spoiling much – but geez whiz, I sho likes making dese here spoiler boxes, I tell you whut.
[spoiler]In the DCU, there was a major storyline that lasted well over a year throughout the Bat-titles and other series set in Gotham (like Azrael, Catwoman and Hitman) about a cataclysmic earthquake that’s destroyed most of Gotham City, causing the mass evacuation of the population and for the city to be temporarily abandoned by the United States government. Hit particularly hard is the Batcave, with most of its security measures breached and compromised by the quake.
Enter Ra’s Al Ghul, one of Batman’s most formidable foes and one who knows Bruce Wayne’s secret identity and resources as Batman. As part of a JLA storyline that overlaps with the Batman storyline, he apparently sends minions from his League of Assassins into the Batcave for a cladestine search and recovery mission. (This is not depicted and happened “off-panel”) There, they find plans for the JLA protocols Batman has devised against his teammates: Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Aquaman, Martain Manhunter and Plastic Man (probrably others, too.) The protocols are extremely effective but largely non-lethal means to taking out the JLA by exploiting various physiological and psychological weaknesses they possesss. Ra’s uses this information and adapts them for his own purposes in his next scheme to conquer the earth to ensure the JLA’s non-interference.
In Superman’s case, Batman has detailed plans for irradiated a piece of green kryptonite so that it shifts into its red phase and causing a unknown disruption Superman’s powers. IIRC, Ra’s doesn’t actually have bona fide green kryptonite, so he synthesizes the green form and red-shifts it. This piece of red kryptonite causes Superman’s epidermis to become temporarily translucent, sending Superman’s superpowers into painful and incapacitating hyperdrive since he can now absorb much more solar radiation.
J’onn J’onzz’s skin was impregnanted thousands of flame producing nanites which rbbed him of his powers. Aquaman was given a compound that induced hydrophobia – a crippling fear of water. Green Lantern was given a post-hypnotic suggestion to make him think he was blind; without being able to see, he couldn’t weild his weapon. Plastic Man was shot with a dart that both froze and crystalized his pliable form. Wonder Woman was given a virtual reality implant in which she was fighting a computerized version of herself: the harder she fought, the harder she fought herself. The intention was the make her collapse of a heart attack.
Interestingly, Batman himself is temporarily incapacitated by Ra’s himself. Knowing Batman’s secret ID – he distracts Batman from his plans by having his men exhume the caskets of Thomas and Martha Wayne and take them halfway across the world to one of his Lazarus pits, with the promise of possibly resurrecting them.
The Justice League escapes by helping each other out, naturally. Knowledge of the Batman’s protocols caused a schism in which he was later ousted from the JLA (for about 45 minutes). Pick up the trade paperback and read it sometime soon. The story is much better than I’ve described.[/spoiler]
Ooh, that nasty Ra’s Al Ghul. :mad:
Can’t wait for his film debut.
Anyhoo…
With Alan Rickman playing Ra’s Al Ghul, right?
Actually, recent Oscar-nominee Ken Watanabe.