Well sure, but the fact that they lost their extra strength when on the ship doesn’t mean that their strength on Earth came from the suits. I don’t recall them doing anything super-strong while on the ship?
An as for the Iron Man thing, I think you’re right - if they just use a suit as a “gives him the strength to go toe to toe with Supes” in the final act, that’d make sense and wouldn’t feel strange. I was originally thinking the suit would be the entirety of his Batman-ness (since he’s being rebooted for this movie), which would feel strange.
[spoiler]Batman and Superman have not yet met though Batman has “researched” Superman. When they meet, Superman essentially toys with Batman (and Green Lantern / Hal Jordan) while shrugging off various Bat-toys. Green Lantern momentarily gets the upper hand, which Superman thinks is “funny” before he starts bouncing them around the city. The only thing that stops Superman from smushing Batman is Batman addressing him as “Clark”, which calms him enough to admit that they should talk.
Later on, a partially-brainwashed Superman attacks Batman, who can at best dodge until Superman recovers.[/spoiler]
This also takes place, IIRC, just after Superman was hit by a nuke. He more or less shrugs the nuke off, but it’s clear he’s weakened when he takes on Batman.
Nitpick. That nuke knocked the **** out of him. Took place in the same time frame (Our time frame not Supes) where he was Byrne Depowered. It took a massive effort for him to turn aside one nuke, and then the detonation from a ways out…artistically…turned him into a withered man.
Whereas Silver Age Supes can stand in the middle of the sun and throw a million nukes into another galaxy without breaking a sweat.
It’s worth pointing out that The Avengers meant nothing to the general audience - and in the UK it was an old British TV series with Diana Rigg - and I imagine that a large chunk of the audience for Thor assumed that he was a mythological hero along the lines of Hercules… I mean, yes, he was a mythological hero, but you see what I mean. And who was Indiana Jones before Raiders? What was Star Wars before 1977?
In summary, I am unconvinced that the studio called the film Batman V Superman because they were worried that the audience would not flock to see it. “World’s Finest” would be a great title but I surmise it’s doesn’t say anything about the story.
Hey, I have The Dark Knight Returns literally right next to my PC. Now it’s sitting on my lap. I’m going to move it to my hands and see how Superman and Batman get on. Wish me luck!
(long pause)
You know, I was never all that keen on Watchmen. It’s gripping and clever but it seemed to slowly fizzle out, and the rigid panels and art style seemed at odds with the tone. Dark Knight still looks mighty fine, despite being (counts) almost thirty years old. Batman knows that Superman was hurt by the nuke - “I want to see how much of you survived that nuclear explosion. [You’d] have to be at full speed to dodge [the rockets I have fired at you]”, and in the next panel we learn that Superman takes longer than expected to knock out the missiles.
Robin then hits Superman with the Bat-Tank, and almost hits him with a catapult (there’s an implication that she doesn’t go ahead with it). Batman then shoots Superman with a sonic cannon - that gives him a nosebleed - and I’d forgotten that it took place on the same street where Bruce Wayne’s parents (spoiler) caught the monkey in the old one-two (/spoiler).
“They showed me that the world only makes sense when you force it to”. Er, yes, without wishing to spoil it Batman sort-of beats Superman, although it’s a pyrrhic victory… or is it? For just (checks the back) £10.99 you can find out! Or just go to a bookshop and flick to page… there aren’t any numbers. The page where Batman is kicking Superman in the chin.
To add to that, they could easily make sure movie goers know who the World’s Finest is by making it a part of the marketing campaign. Just as with the Avengers, many of the trailers included Stark’s speech about how they’re damn well going to avenge the world.
A trailer could certainly include the lines World’s Finest while showing images of Superman and Batman.
Then again, this is all coming from a guy who not only thinks that a Martian superhero is too big of a stretch and wants to make him and angry green monster grown in a petri dish but also thinks that all comic book readers are undersexed nerds living in their mom’s basement.
As far as I’m concerned, World’s Finest (or possibly a variation like Batman & Superman: World’s Finest) was the only possible title. “Dawn of Justice”… blech.
I’m sure I’ll see it, but I already have misgivings.
The whole “v” thing is stupid anyway. The characters will have a brief inconclusive scuffle, and then face the common foe. It’s so predictable, I’m vaguely offended they’re wasting screen time on it.
Bane & Killer Croc are nowhere near Superman’s strength class. I doubt he could distinguish between a blow from either of them and Batman–or, for that matter, a punch from any of the three and an attack from an enraged butterfly.
I’ll grant that, given a great deal of time to prepare, Batman could come up with a weapon that would give Superman trouble, just as Luthor does. I will not grant that any spontaneous fight between Batman and Superman lasts longer than five seconds, four of which Superman spends deciding how he can disable Batman without killing him.
And now I must steal this name to use for one of my vigilante-style heroes in the upcoming City ofTitans. I’m seeing a butterfly princess with wings, a pretty but angry face, and twin assault rifles that never run dry.
Sure, but I’m not talking about them versus Superman, it’s them versus Batman, and any one of the three is more than strong enough to put a fist through someone’s sternum. Superman is the strongest of the lot, but against a normal human, the distinction between his strength and Killer Croc is pretty academic.
Well, there may be a worthwhile distinction between someone who can kill you with one punch and someone who can crush you under the building he just knocked down with one punch.
