Battlestar Galactica 2.10 — "Pegasus" (no spoilers in OP: see scheduling note)

Random thoughts:

I would have thought a Cylon strong enough to fight off such an assault. I think only one guard was holding Boomer II down. Maybe she intimidated by the armed guards?

I’m surprised Boomer II didn’t know what that ship was. maybe she was holding back because she had no idea who the guy asking was?

Roslin was strangely absent during the whole aftermath of the attempted rape. Is she the ultimate commander in chief and able to overrule Cain? Maybe she’ll weigh in in the next episode? Possibly grant a pardon? And if she does, will Cain recognize her authority?

Does blackbird have an FTL drive? With its similarities to a viper, I’d think not. Given this, how is it going to get to the site of the Cylon fleet?

Baltar better hope the Pegasus holding cell isn’t miked up. Interesting how he told Six to go away and she did.

Adm. Cain is basically Ensign Ro, with all empathy taken away.

The only likable member of the Pegasus crew appears to be their flight deck officer.

They should have stretched this episode out to at least 90 minutes. Too much was crammed into the normal 60. They still could have a cliffhanger.

January is too far away.

One more thing–another nice bit of acting from Tricia Helfer tonight! That was the first time Gaius’s Six didn’t seem to be in control–of herself, of Gaius, of anything else. A good bit of character development well played. I hope Helfer gets recognized as a serious actor when (sob) the series is eventually over.

Gaius’s reaction to the Pegasus’s Six and his (one-sided) conversation with her was also extremely well done and very revealing, but we already knew how well he could act!

Dashing off quick before bed –
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUGH!!! How could they leave us hanging like this?! I CAN’T BE LEFT LIKE THIS!

Yow. A cliffhanger ep like this probably wasn’t the best time for me to start watching the show, was it? :eek:

Well, consider me hooked, in any case. It’s gonna be a loooong three months…

Seems to me that things got so bad so fast that Adama didn’t have time to try to get her in the loop. He let Helo and Tyrol go to Pegasus on the assumption they’d get a fair trial. From the time he learned they were going to be executed to the end of the episode is pretty much a straight shot.

If I were writing the show, I’d resolve the cliffhanger not with a Cylon attack, which is a literal deus ex machina and just postpones the actual conflict, but by having Laura Roslin just getting caught up with the facts of the situation and calling Cain directly:

“Admiral. Stand down.”

“Are you joking?”

“According to the Articles of Colonization I am your superior, and if you have any respect at all for the civilization you claim to be defending, you will stand down.”

“What possible leverage do you have?”

“Admiral, I’ve already dealt with one coup. Don’t underestimate me.”

Or something to that effect. If nothing else, learning that Adama staged a coup (if she missed that in the logs; you’d think she would have mentioned it in her little list of transgressions) would certainly intrigue Cain.

Or… Roslin could play the Earth card. I’m a little surprised that little tidbit wasn’t more important currency in the episode; as happy as Galactica’s crew is to see Pegasus, you’ve got to think the people of Pegasus would be equally or more happy that Galactica brings them a bona fide frakkin’ prophet who has fairly definitively revealed to them the location of the lost mythical homeworld.

In any event, it would be fascinating to turn the tables on Cain and watch her chafe under what she perceives as misguided leadership the same way Adama is. Until the inevitable conflict re-emerges, of course, in some form.

And whatever that is, I have faith that the resolution will not suck. It won’t be a dumb, obvious Star Trekky thing where the wayward officer rediscovers honor and sacrifices him or herself for the good of the fleet, or something equally dopey. Whatever it is, it’ll be cool.

You know how I know this? Because before this episode, we had looked at the preview, and we said to each other and ourselves, “Oh, no, it better not be a cliched story where the new officer and Adama clash and plunge into a power struggle.” And it wasn’t: It was an amazingly good story where the new officer and Adama clash and plunge into a power struggle.

This show just gets better and better.

I thought about this. There’s no reason he couldn’t have said to the head flunky, on the way in: “This is the carrot: Tell her what she wants to hear.” And they’d assume he was simply lying to her, and they’d grin at his shameless manipulations.

By the way, don’t overlook the rather significant little piece of plot information that got sneaked in among all the cross-character conflict: Cain’s description of the two Base Stars and the Mystery Whozit that have been following the fleet around. This, I think, is the only really viable escape from the plot trap they’ve built for themselves, the apparent choice between “the Cylons really are trying to kill them but they’re just inept” vs “the Cylons have a grand plan and our heroes are just chumps.” If things really are proceeding according to Cylon plan, the earlier our heroes learn about it, the earlier they can retake the advantage, try to figure out the plan, and monkey-wrench it. Cain’s small revelation might be the first step down that path; I guess we’ll find out when Starbuck gets back.

But yeah. Frak. Frakkity frak frak frak.

Now we know how the UKers felt for the few weeks after they first saw Boomer put two into Adama’s torso. :slight_smile:

Thanks, Cervaise for summing up all of my thoughts. How do you do that? :slight_smile:

This was a great show, if a little forced. Nearly every single interaction between Galactica/Pegasus was a conflict or a power struggle. That’s what I was afraid of. Also, like others, I’m wondering why Roslyn hasn’t demoted Cain and promoted Adama.

I was thinking for a week that this Cain must be a Cylon. Now, I’m not so sure -her crew is inhuman in the way that only humans can be. And how can Apollo and Starbuck put up with this nonsense for long? I’m very intrigued regarding the next show… in January!!! :mad:

I found that entire thing somewhat interest. My immediate reaction to the torture was, “You snap babies necks for shits and giggles, but have a right to question what is ‘over the top?’”

It’s not a matter of the questioning, it’s the particular character who is showing outrage that makes it disturbing. The more the show tries to give moral lectures from Six, the more I would expect Baltar to tune them out as ridiculous. For goodness sakes, I presume the guy had some other friends somewhere in the colonies - this person pleading for sympathy was directly responsible for their murders.

Good points, Sly. My initial thought was that she was shocked at “seeing herself”, but with so few models, it must be like my seeing another Pontiac in a car wreck. :slight_smile:

I reckon she’s just messing with Baltar as usual.

I really hope they stop “killing” Tyrol. Every frakkin episode has his damned life in danger and my poor little heart can’t take it.

I’ve thought about Six killing the baby. She wanted to see what it would be like, right? Didn’t she really do the baby a favor, since she knew the whole planet would be nuked to hell in just a little while?

He did have lines later in the episode, in two different scenes. Btw, I run the badly neglected and currently broken www.sebastianspence.net website and have personally autographed photos :wink: I’m such a drooly fangirl…

So that aside, I agree with the others… January is TOO FRAKKIN’ FAR AWAY!!! AAUUUUGHGHHHHH!!!

I don’t normally notice this kind of thing, but where did Baltar get (what looked like) a fresh peach?

They have that ship with all the trees and such.

Am I the only person who is thinking that the entire crew of the Pegasus are cylons? Why didn’t anyone on the show worry about that? Why didn’t the President reign [Kahn]Admiral[/Kahn] Caine in and show that she is the boss? Of course that is what is going to happen in Jan.
If the Pegasus is a ‘newer’ ship, why didn’t the cylons turn off their computers?

49,605 survivors.

For those who are keeping score.

Oh, as for Six killing the baby. Yes, it was a harrowing scene, but I wouldn’t say she did it for shits and giggles. She seemed curious, awed, disturbed, and confused in various measures as the scene unfolded. Given later revelations about the Cylon obsession with love and procreation, her actions can be interpreted in many ways, but I don’t think idle fun (like the Pegasus crew) is one of them.

Speaking of the Pegasus crew, hubby and I had a debate over the torture and rape. I said regardless of what they’ve done as a unit, an individual Cylon would deserve Geneva Convention-like protections as a POW. He said the crew of the Pegasus views them as machines gone haywire, so that wouldn’t even occur to them. His view is the only reason the Galactica crew are more humane is that Boomer was one of them for so long, so they can’t think of her as a mere machine. My answer is that the Pegasus crew was using torture and rape to put psychological pressure on Cylons, which implicitly admits that they view them as pretty much human and subject to human weaknesses.

That’s what I like about this show - it raises interesting questions, while taking you on a roller coaster ride at the same time.

I don’t think the Pegasus is full of Cylons, or that Cain is a Cylon. I agree that they are being inhuman in a uniquely human way. In fact, it echoes what Six was saying when they were on Kobol - humans can be downright savage.

  1. There are not enough models of “human” cylons to make one for all the people on the ship, not to mention that I’m not sure the Cylons could have all the memories of the people they “replaced”.

  2. I have no idea about the Pegasus not being hacked. I thought the same thing when I saw it. The whole idea is that the Galactica is old and predates the Cylons “instant hacking” abilities.

Opal, I remember when you and I posted over on Sci-Fi’s First Wave page. I wan’t sure if you watched BSG or not. So, has Spence been hired to be a recurring character or has his career diminished to the point where he can only get very minor roles?

After seeing him last night, I thought he’d have been a good choice to be Apollo.

Yeah - I remember thinking, at the cliffhanger end of the show, “That didn’t take long. Humans are going to exterminate themselves.” I must be a Cylon.

Another question - when (if ever) will Dr. Baltar be the evil Supreme Nemesis like in the first show? I’m hoping that doesn’t happen.

Yes, but that’s because that appears to be the particular face that actress constantly wears. I’m not sure it really means anything, other than, “There’s something deep about this character.” It occassionally approaches the “Smell the fart” school of acting in that respect in my book, though the actress is hot, so it’s okay. :slight_smile:

The reality of the situation, even if she was curious, awed, disturbed, and confused, is that she killed, without reason, a baby in front of that baby’s mother. She also appears to understand humanity more than enough to know the psychological damage that would cause to the mother, nevermind the death of the child. I know that such situations are not really subject to compare or contrast, but that seems to be somewhere within the ballpark of rape as a psychological impact on a person. Oh yeah, she also took direct action to murder millions of people. When there was a peace treaty.

We can also say it was not idle fun, but I do not see any particular reason for it popping up but it being a whim. I’m not sure it was fun, but there really did not appear to be any reason other than “shits and giggles” (which yes, is unfortunately and admittedly a favorite and overused phrase of mine).

OK, the admiral has had the opportunity to have all of her questions about the Galactica and its fleet answered after she read the logs. Now how about a few questions for the admiral?

  1. You have a cylon prisoner. How did you identify her as such? Do you have a working Cylon detector, or did she do something to give herself away?

  2. How did your ship and its fighters resist the Cylon software virus?

  3. Is the admiral the CO of the Pegasus? There’s been a reference to the shot-in-the-head XO, but I got the impression that there’s nobody in between. Seems odd for an admiral to have been in command of her own ship.

  4. That whole story of escaping the Cylon attack by jumping to who-knows-where seems fishy. Just sayin’…

  5. Why’s the deck chief of the Pegasus so jumpy? Did I understand he’s a draftee? Where’d they draft him from?

  6. Was the Pegasus spacecraft with 48 kill markings a Raptor? If somebody can get 48 kills in a Raptor, what kid of records do their Vipers have? In this case it would seem that the Galactica folks might really have something to learn from the Pegasus air wing.

Curate

I have some observations that don’t merit being called questions. I’m not sure if they’re valid or not, but here goes. My theory is that both the cylons and humans can embody the best and worst traits of each other, at the same time. I don’t think the cylons are that much smarter than humans. When they nuked Caprica and destroyed 99% of the population, they showed that they are no better than humans, using overkill. If they had really wanted to spank humans and get the message across that they (cylons) were their equal, they should have done everything they did in the miniseries short of planning and carry out genocide. They should have infiltrated human society, achieved postions of wealth, power and influence. Some of the cylons should have found Kobol, prepared the planet for colonization, and all of the cylons should have planned to depart Caprica en masse, and settle on Kobol. I believe this would have wrecked Caprica’s economy, if not also society in general. I believe this scenario would have gotten the message across in a non-violent thoughtful way that would be just as psychologically devastating as the nuclear conflagration that they ended up choosing. I’ve left out lots of detail but that’s my impression of the relationship of the two races. I, too, can’t wait for January.

Not trying to Hijack, and I hope it doesn’t turn into one, but the cylons would probably not be granted POW rights, simply because the human ones are essentially spies. And during wartime, captured spies are usally executed.

That said, raping captured prisoners is pretty fracking disturbing as well. The whole show last had me debating in my head just who is right here( Though sexual abuse of the prisoners is definatly out).