Battlestar Galactica 2.11 — "Resurrection Ship Part 1" (draidus contact! spoilers!)

Woo hoo! I’m speculating like a mother frak!

(And I’m starting the thread a day early to share.)

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Okay, so, recapping the cliffhanger:

Cain and her crew have gone off the deep end.

Helo and Tyrol are about to be executed for killing Cain’s rape-happy interrogation officer while rescuing Boomer.

Adama has dispatched forces to retrieve Helo and Tyrol, and Cain is responding in kind.

Roslin, in the last stages of her illness, has so far been on the sidelines of this confrontation.

Apollo, no longer the CAG, is piloting a raptor on a reconnaisance mission to investigate the large unknown vessel which accompanies the two Cylon base stars that have been following Galactica and the rag tag fleet.

But he also assigned Starbuck to secretly swipe the stealth fighter and go reconnoiter the same Cylon ship on her own.

Baltar has made contact with Number Six Mark Two being held on Pegasus.

At the climax, Galactica’s rescue force is bearing down on Pegasus’s defensive perimeter.

Also, it’s worth mentioning that tonight’s episode is part one of a two parter, or, I guess, part two of a three parter. I read someplace that Moore & Eick were unable to cram the conclusion into a single hour and got permission from the network to stretch it into two episodes.

Okay. So.

The main question at hand: How do they resolve the cliffhanger? Seems to me there are five main possibilities.

1. They’re interrupted by the Cylons. Before intracolonial combat gets out of hand, a Cylon attack materializes, forcing Adama and Cain to set aside their differences in order to survive.

Pro: Would definitely provide a reason to abort the conflict. Con: Doesn’t solve anything; merely delays the inevitable, as Helo and Tyrol are still in custody and slated for execution. Plus it’s a literal deus ex machina. Sounds like a weak option; would have to be handled exceedingly well to work.

2. Roslin intervenes and Cain yields. Recognizing where things are headed, Roslin asserts her civilian authority over the military, and Cain backs down.

Pro: Provides a reason to abort the conflict, and partially resolves the power struggle in the short term, though of course Cain will chafe and a resumption of hostilities is probably still inevitable. Con: Seems very unlikely that Cain would accede to Roslin, given her disdain for the schoolteacher, though if you look at the very end of the cliffhanger, there are a couple of shots of Cain’s crew looking dubious about her orders that suggest they’re complying against their will, so Cain may not want to push them, and decides that backing down is the best choice in the immediate short term. Still, kind of a reach. Again, would have to be handled exceedingly well to work.

3. Roslin intervenes, Cain rejects her, and Pegasus mutinies. Same as above, with a different resolution.

Pro: Definitely plausible. Con: I don’t want the Cain storyline to be wrapped up right out of the gate. From a storytelling standpoint, it’s unsatisfying to see Cain deposed and in the brig before the ten-minute mark; the conflict here is rich and provocative and needs to play out completely. On the other hand, it could be a partial mutiny; Pegasus could descend into internal chaos, with Cain leading one faction, and some but not all of the Pegasus’s viper pilots defecting to Galactica’s side, providing parity in the dogfight. This could take up a full episode. Probably the most likely alternative; I’d be satisfied with this.

(By the way, I’d like to address some comments that were made in the previous thread about whether or not Roslin, as civilian leader, does in fact have authority over the military, as is the case in the U.S. During the few months of downtime, I’ve gone back and re-watched most of the shows up to this point, and there are several places in the miniseries and season one where it’s strongly implied that the President does, under the Articles of Colonization, have this authority. For example, in “You Can’t Go Home Again,” the episode where Starbuck is stranded on the moon and Adama puts the fleet at risk looking for her, when Roslin shows up on Galactica to confront him, she says to Tigh in the corridor, “I’m not here to issue orders,” and Tigh responds, “It may take an order.” Also, in “Tigh Me Up Tigh Me Down,” in which Baltar finishes his Cylon detector, there’s a scene at the beginning where Adama and Roslin are discussing who should be tested first. Adama says it should be the people at the top, to show the fleet the leadership can be trusted. Roslin says, “I completely agree, I think you should go first.” Adama, taken slightly aback, says, “Well, maybe you should go first,” implying that Roslin technically outranks him. There are other examples. They’ve never explicitly said that it’s true, but they’ve very strongly suggested it. And given the way they’ve paralleled our own world pretty closely, I think it makes sense to interpret the implications that way.)

4. The reconnaisance mission returns with important information. Either Apollo’s official detachment or Starbuck’s unofficial solo run learns something significant and returns with an urgent dispatch, precipitating a pause in the action.

Pro: Something seriously eye-opening could cause ample reason for everybody to stand down. Con: It would have to be major. Also, for this story to work, we’d have the surveillance mission reappear without actually seeing what happened to them. I don’t know how satisfied I’d be with that; I suspect there’s some story there and I’d like to see it firsthand (note Starbuck’s objection during the mission briefing to the observation strategy — “your plan sucks” — suggesting that it won’t go particularly well). Plus, as with number one above, doesn’t do anything about the Helo/Tyrol situation. Probably the weakest alternative.

5. Pegasus and Galactica go at it. Nothing interrupts the fight. Pegasus kicks Galactica’s ass, and Adama withdraws, bloodies but defiant. Cain begins to assume complete authority. Then… what? The fleet rebels, like in the season two episode “Resistance?” Or then one of the three things above happens?

Pro: The uncompromising nature of the show makes me suspect this option, while most difficult to pull off, is a dark horse to number three above. Con: I have no idea what would happen next. Not necessarily “con,” of course. :slight_smile:

Dangling threads, unanswered questions, and open plot points:

Why didn’t Cain and the crew of Pegasus react at all to Roslin’s apparent role as a prophet, and all the revelations about learning the location of Earth? You’d think this would be a big deal, especially if Cain is on the edge of maintaining command; the Pegasus crew might be desperate for anything hopeful given the darkness of their situation, and finding out about Earth would be quite a stunner. Yet it never came up. (Maybe this was one of the fifteen minutes of deleted scenes from the cliffhanger episode. Those aren’t on the season 2.0 DVD; apparently they’re saving them so they can do a fully extended version of the episode when the second-half DVD is released.) This is the only card Roslin can play that might make option two above plausible, I think.

What’s the deal with the mysterious Cylon ship?

Was the Pegasus deck chief really pressed into service as he seemed to unhappily suggest when talking to Tyrol? And what does this say about the state of mind of Pegasus’s crew?

Will Starbuck keep her promise to Anders to send somebody back to help? And will we learn more about why she was in that hospital?

Is Roslin really in the last weeks of her life?

Has Baltar, on seeing the abused Six, finally turned his back on humanity? Will he embrace his status as traitor and villain once and for all?

Known spoilers:

I’m trying to avoid learning anything significant about what’s to come, but I’ve inadvertently come across a few tidbits in interviews and such, so I’ll share here.

From an interview with Mary McDonnell and Edward James Olmos, about the relationship between Roslin and Adama; not huge, but a big hint:They’re going to become very close, possibly driven by external conflict (Cain?), and apparently there’s even a kiss in the works. Romantic? Unknown.

From a fan site, about the fate of Pegasus:Lee Adama will assume command of the second battlestar. Nothing firm about what happens to Cain.

Also from a fan site, about the development of Roslin’s cancer; again, not a total giveaway, but a big hint:Apparently the mysterious Cylon ship will be connected somehow to Roslin getting a new lease on life.

From an interview with Katee Sackhoff, about the Anders character (minor):We definitely haven’t seen the last of him.

And finally, a non-spoiler statement by Olmos in the “SciFi Inside” Galactica recap that’s been airing this week in preparation for the resumption of the series:

"The back ten will make the first half look like it was standing still."

Ooo, I’m all a-twitter… :smiley:

I think Colonial One may physically come between the two ships.

Cain would claim military authority to execute but when Roslyn threatens to strip he of command, she relents.
Or…

Starbuck sees the Pegasus, inside the mystery Cylon ship. (THEY’RE ALL CYLONS) doubtful, but kind of cool.

Somehow, Starbuck or Boomer must figure prominently.

31 hours to go.

I’m just hoping the mystery ship is the naked Boomer production line.

Adama almost didn’t accept Roslyn’s presidency or a civilian government, I think Cain is even less likely to accept it. As far as Cain is concerned, she’s currently the ultimate human authority.

Just finished watching the half-hour “catch up” special on Sci Fi. It was kind of fun and certainly laid out what to be watching for.

But the #1 thing that caught my attention was … actor Jamie Bamber (Apollo) is British! I had no idea. In character, he has no accent (to my ears) at all. When he was speaking as himself in the special, he sounded so different it was waaay wierd. I didn’t recognize his voice at all.

If you want to catch it, Sci Fi is showing it again later at 11:00 pm Eastern Time.

Another trivia note about Bamber: Y’know at the beginning of the second season, while Adama is in sickbay with the gunshot, there’s that one female medic attending him? And when the jump goes bad and Doc Cottle isn’t available to minister to Adama, this medic has to do emergency surgery on him because there’s nobody else even close to qualified? And when she’s done, she says something like, “Back to q-tips and enemas for me”?

That’s Jamie Bamber’s wife.

I can’t say how happy I am this show is back! I’m counting the hours (26 1/2 right now).

My speculation below. BTW, this is one show I’ve remained spoiler-free for. That’s pretty good for me. (But it’s been hard–I’ve really had to steel myself against reading those spoiler sites!)

*A) The main question at hand: How do they resolve the cliffhanger? Seems to me there are five main possibilities.

1. They’re interrupted by the Cylons. Before intracolonial combat gets out of hand, a Cylon attack materializes, forcing Adama and Cain to set aside their differences in order to survive.*

I don’t like this one for the reasons mentioned in the OP. It’s definitely a possibility, but I’m hoping against it. It just seems rather weak and the “let’s all come together to fight a common enemy” theme has been done before in too many other shows.

2. Roslin intervenes and Cain yields. Recognizing where things are headed, Roslin asserts her civilian authority over the military, and Cain backs down.

I don’t see Cain backing down, but it could work if Roslin gets the Peggy crew on her side. I don’t know how much of a hold Cain has on her people. They certainly fear her, but I don’t know if they will follow her against their fellow colonials–especially if Roslin plays the Earth card.

3. Roslin intervenes, Cain rejects her, and Pegasus mutinies. Same as above, with a different resolution.

This seems most plausible. I can see the Peggy crew mutinying. The XO didn’t seem to like her much (feared her, but didn’t like her) during his drunken bonding session with Tigh. Plus, there’s definitely something going on with the Peggy deck chief. It’s not too much of a stretch to imagine a lot of people on the Pegasus being willing to mutiny.

4. The reconnaisance mission returns with important information. Either Apollo’s official detachment or Starbuck’s unofficial solo run learns something significant and returns with an urgent dispatch, precipitating a pause in the action.

I hadn’t thought of this one. It could happen. But how would they get everyone’s attention in the middle of a battle? And how would they convince them it’s major enough to forget about Adama’s insurrection and the execution of Helo and Tyrol?

5. Pegasus and Galactica go at it. Nothing interrupts the fight. Pegasus kicks Galactica’s ass, and Adama withdraws, bloodies but defiant. Cain begins to assume complete authority. Then… what? The fleet rebels, like in the season two episode “Resistance?” Or then one of the three things above happens?

Or maybe Galactica kicks Pegasus’s ass (just how do you make the possessive of “Pegasus” anyway?). It would be interesting to see how this works out. Pegasus is more modernized, but the Galactica commanders (Adama and Tigh at least) seem to have more actual battle experience (I don’t think Cain looks old enough to have fought in the first Cylon war, but maybe there have been inter colonial wars that haven’t been mentioned. Also, it would be interesting to see who chooses which side. Have the flight crews been integrated or was it just Starbuck and Apollo who were transferred? I can’t see crew from either ship fighting against their old battle buddies.

*Dangling threads, unanswered questions, and open plot points:

B) Why didn’t Cain and the crew of Pegasus react at all to Roslin’s apparent role as a prophet, and all the revelations about learning the location of Earth? You’d think this would be a big deal, especially if Cain is on the edge of maintaining command; the Pegasus crew might be desperate for anything hopeful given the darkness of their situation, and finding out about Earth would be quite a stunner. Yet it never came up. *

Do they even know about it? It didn’t seem like Cain was even answering Roslin’s calls. Cain’s people may know (unless she decided to censor all incoming information and keep the civilian stuff off of her ship) and may be reacting to it, which may lead to them being less willing to follow Cain in a battle with Galactica.

C) What’s the deal with the mysterious Cylon ship?

It’s the cylon hell ship. It’s full of thousands of Boxeys. :eek:

D) Was the Pegasus deck chief really pressed into service as he seemed to unhappily suggest when talking to Tyrol? And what does this say about the state of mind of Pegasus’s crew?

Something’s going on with him. As I mentioned before, it suggests that not everyone on the Pegasus crew is thrilled with Cain.

E) Will Starbuck keep her promise to Anders to send somebody back to help? And will we learn more about why she was in that hospital?

I hope they don’t go back to get Anders. I’m kind of sick of Caprica, and I’d hate to see them just popping back home every now and then to feed the cat. IHowever, would like some resolution about what all procedures Starbuck went through.

F) Is Roslin really in the last weeks of her life?

As much as I like Roslin, killing her off would be a major ballsy move for the writers. I think RM has the guts to do it.

G) Has Baltar, on seeing the abused Six, finally turned his back on humanity? Will he embrace his status as traitor and villain once and for all?

I don’t know if deciding to take a side is in character for Baltar or not. Certainly not for the Baltar pre-Kobol. Then he was just into whichever course was best for him and I couldn’t imagine him working for any cause but his own. He seemed to change on Kobol after shooting someone. So maybe it is in his make up now to take a side based on his (however misguided) sense of right and wrong.

*And finally, a non-spoiler statement by Olmos in the “SciFi Inside” Galactica recap that’s been airing this week in preparation for the resumption of the series:

"The back ten will make the first half look like it was standing still."

Ooo, I’m all a-twitter… *

Ditto.

Well, Cain did read Adama’s logs, so presumably she knows all about it. Indeed, this may be contributing to her decision to squash him. (“He had the right idea when he deposed the religious crackpot, but now he buys her nonsense? Frak him!”) However, the Pegasus and Galactica crews were definitely mingling (per the scene where the former are bragging to the latter about nailing the Cylon prisoner), and there’s no way the latter didn’t bring up the fact that they know where Earth is and they’ve got a bona-fide prophet showing them the way. Prob’ly one of the first things they said, in fact.

I just thought it was odd that it never came up during the episode. It’s a big dangling thread.

Pegasus had alot of scenes deleted. In the podcast RDM said that they had so much material SciFi offered them a 90 minute episode (ala Stargate 8.18) but rather than try add filler they opted to edite it down to standard lenght and put the extended version on the DVD set (apparently the complete season 2). It would have run for 80 min with commercials.

Somebody please tell me the Sci-Fi will be re-running these episodes on a Sunday or Monday ( or in the morning some other day ).

I just got into the series via DVD ( just finished 2.10 on Monday ), but I work Friday nights and have neither TIVO nor a functional VCR anymore ( I don’t think - I just might try brushing the dust off and kicking it back to life again if I get desperate enough ). Usually this sort of thing isn’t an issue for me as I mostly watch HBO series, but gods curse it, I’m now hopelessly addicted :).

  • Tamerlane

Never mind - looks like it is re-running Monday nights at 11. That should work :).

Resurrection Ship 1 airs again at 1:00 AM Saturday morning. SciFi also shows repeats Monday nights.

All right, I’m gonna put my question in here, just for the heck of it.

We’ve been watching every bleeding episode since the show started, my wife is upset with me because I’ve turned her into a ‘science fiction geek’ and we’re both psyched for tonight. As a refresher, I plan to watch the last episode (which I recorded) beforehand.

See the thing is, I asked for, and didn’t receive, DVD sets of the series for Xmas. No problems. I’ll buy them myself. But I note that they have the miniseries DVD, the 1st season DVD, and the 2nd season DVD. Seems the 1st season also has the miniseries on it. Now, should I buy the miniseries DVD for the extras that won’t be on the 1st season (assuming there are any), or just buy the 1st season? Should I buy the 2nd season, 'cause really, we’re still watching the 2nd season. Someone please help me out here.

Oh yeah - Friday! Battlestar Galactica! Woo! I can’t really speculate, 'cause I gotta watch the final episode first.

Oh my goodness. I just saw the commercial for tonight. I got chills. I’m so eager. So so ready for the show tonight.

I think Pegasus isn’t long for this world. It will either be destroyed or driven off to become a recurring plot theme. The average viewer isn’t going to be able to keep track of two crews on two battlestars; the show is complex enough, any farther and they risk complete confusion with the viewing audience. The show is “Battlestar Galactica,” after all.

First guess: Pegasus driven off by either Adama or Roslyn, another battlestar is too good of a plot device to get rid of so quickly, and too unlikely an event to happen again.

Second guess: A batshit Admiral Cain does a suicide run into a Cylon basestar, dooming her crew but redeeming herself in that shades-of-gray style that Ron Moore seems to favor.

We’ll see what happens. Let’s junk some toasters. :slight_smile:

I have the Mini, Season 1 and Season 2.0 DVDs. That said, I would say skip the miniseries DVD and just get the Season 1 one. The extras on there are somewhat interesting but not enough to justify essentially buying the thing twice. (I thought the commentary track for the mini on the S1 DVD was more interesting anyway.)

As for the Season 2.0 DVD you might want to hold off on it. There was supposedly going to be an expanded version of Pegasus (ep 2.10) on there but it didn’t make it; apparently it will be on the 2.5 (or whatever they call it) release. My fear is that we will wind up with a 2.0 and a 2.5 release and a complete season 2 release that has additional material on it (like the previously mentioned expanded episode). I’d say wait until more information comes out before making a decision there (unless you missed a lot of S2 and need to catch up).

Who is the Vice President? :rolleyes:

Nah, I’ve seen every episode, and recorded each one on the VCR, so I’m good that way.

Thanks for the info! I’ll get season 1 and hold off on the rest for the time being.

Those two are not the same thing in this instance. I think Moore and the writers have done an excellent job of making the humans the protagonists but not the good guys. Because they’re not the good guys – they’re just the underdogs. I think anyone who stands against rape as an interrogation technique can’t really be counted a villain, even if he is a traitor.

–Cliffy

Well, what I’d like to see is Adama and Cain come to a mutual understanding that they cannot operate together, that they really have two very different goals. Cain wants to destroy the Cylons, which Adama will agree (at least to her) is a good thing, but Adama is tasked with saving the human race from extinction.

Cain then goes on her merry way to harass the Cylons. We may or may not hear from her again.

However, Ron Moore has a very poor record when it regards doing things I want him to do. :slight_smile:

This seems the likeliest outcome to me. But Ron has surprised me before, so who knows?