Well, yeah to the first part. But the second part wasn’t really necessary. Just the one crack would have been fine, but continuing to focus on the growing crack was cliche, and ignored the initial focus of the serious damage to Kat’s Viper.
Also, if Kat is testing her guns, shouldn’t Starbuck have moved away from Kat before she started the test in case something happened?
How do you mean? The point of the scene is that both Vipers are in danger because of the sabotage. The danger to Kat is immediatly obvious, but the danger to Starbuck needed to be pushed a little harder to make it clear. And far from being a cliche, the dangers of flying a ship in hard vacuum is something that most sf series badly underplay.
Not really. In a vacuum, there’s nothing to slow down an objects momentum. That chunk of shrapnel would have hit Starbuck just as hard if she’d been a hundred miles away. Of course, more distance would have made it much less likely to actually hit her, but even then, there’s no way to account for random chance. Starbuck might have been well outside the minimum safe distance during weapons checks as laid out in the flight regs, and just had the rotten luck to still be in that hunk of debris’s flight path.
Hey, that’s a good point. I hadn’t thought about that side of things at all.
Not before the attack, no. But it killed him and made way for the Baltar copy. There are twelve models, we know of four, I think (Gina, Boomer, press flack guy and that guy at the ammo depot).
If Baltar is important to the cylons, why didn’t Gina manouvre him to a safe location, a long way away from any nuclear blast? Remember that some copies don’t know that they are copies, something that was stressed more during S.1, especially the subplot with Boomer finding a bomb on the Raptor and sleepwalking. I think she was a BoomerBot even then, her two identities strugling for controll.
Besides, I think in such a situation we’re a bit more concerned with a jam than a one-in-a-million round exploding in the chamber.
-Joe
I believe we determined that the toasters have to grow up; you can’t manufacture a copy of an adult. You start with a baby of one of the Cylon models. I don’t think any cylon models are copies of known humans.
We know six of the twelve. Gina/Six, Sharon/Boomer, Doral (PR guy), Leoben (ammo depot guy), the Australian reporter chick (what was her name), and Simon the Creepy Ovary Doctor.
I wonder if that’s a dig at Firefly.
We know of six models: you left out Reporter Xena and the doctor from the “farm” on Caprica.
That aside, why replace Baltar after the attack? Especially one with false memories? He’d never have gotten off the planet if that damaged Raptor hadn’t happened to land close enough to pick him up, and he’d never have gotten out of the system if the Galactica hadn’t just been delivered a full component of obsolete, museum-display Vipers that were immune to their computer virus. He was only really important in getting through Caprica’s defenses. After that, sure, he still had some uses, but he was no longer central to their plans. If he died, oh well. Too bad, so sad. Any strategy that revolves around saturation bombing a planet with nukes needs a lot of wiggle room for accidental casualties.
And there’s still no evidence that Cylons can manufacture copies of real people. Just the opposite: they’ve only got twelve models, which indicates that making new models is prohibitivly difficult/expensive. Unless they planned a particular replacement way, way ahead of time, it doesn’t seem possible to just knock off a human and drop a Cylon clone in his place.
Why do you say that? We know the Cylons are incapable of natural childbirth, and we’ve never seen or heard of a Cylon child, not counting the one Boomer’s carrying. Six seemed really fascinated by the human infant she murdered in the pilot, too, which seems to indicate that infants are things Cylons have not seen a lot of, prior to infiltrating human society. I’m pretty sure Cylons start out fully grown.
You make a very convincing case, Miller,it’s just that in the pilot, when the blast hit Baltar, I really thought he was toast and have been watching the whole series with that assumption. Somehow it all makes sense that way.
I always thought that the Cylons were in fact copies. I think that making the first copy is indeed very expensive and difficult, the subsequent copies, not so.Compare to the making of a car, arazor or indeed a toaster. Setting up all the machinery, getting the assembly line and infrastructure right cocsts a fortune.If you’re only gonna make one car, it’s gonna carry a pricetag of millions and millions. But you’re gonna make more than one car. And even if you have a plant ready to go, a newer or different model, say a coupe, will need different tools and molds…
I’ll reconsider the BaltarBot, albeit reluctantly.
I just wish we would get more insight into the cylons. They are what interests me about the show.
Ah, I see what you’re saying. But the civilian fleet has to know there’s another Boomer. I don’t know how they could keep that quiet after the events on Kobol, plus the entire crews of Galactica & Pegasus knowing about her.
I thought Adama and/or Tigh held press conferences explaining why they terminated Roslyn’s presidency.
They may not know for sure the Cylons won’t make peace, but after all the emergency jumps the fleet has had to make, it seems obvious the Cylons don’t want peace. All one has to do is look out their ship’s viewport to see with their own eyes that Cylons jump in, and immediately release a barrage of nukes & Raiders.
I can’t believe Six’s picture wasn’t disseminated to the fleet. But someone already pointed out Gina is in Clark Kent mode, so I guess I can’t harp on that one. Apparently, Gina doesn’t look anything like Ms. Godfrey, while her hair is pulled back and she’s wearing glasses, even though Ms. Godfrey had glasses too.
Anyway, based on the commercials they’re showing it looks like this week black market trading within the fleet is going to be the subject. I hope we get some clues as to what people are eating. Baltar made a point of telling us how much meat, grain and vegetables they needed. So far I haven’t seen any hydroponic or fish farms.
Regarding the blast that should have killed Baltar in the mini-series, I just figure that particular bomb was designed more for physical blast damage but not much radiation.
The fact that Six took the time to implant a chip in Baltar’s head before the attack suggests he is important and they had every intention on his surviving. Otherwise, you’d think they’d have snuck around planting chips in everyone’s heads. Unless…
It almost seems that Six, somewhat like Boomer, is capable of pursuing her own agenda outside the overall Cylon plan. Chip Six definitely wants Baltar to survive and grow in power and influence but it seems like this is an idea the original Caprica Six came up with and the Cylons themselves may not know about.
There was some discussion early on that, for example, Adama could not be a Cyclon because he was older than the Cylon War. The implication being that Cylons aren’t created as adults, but must grow like other biological creatures.
It suddenly occurs to me that a smart designer would depressurize the viper’s cockpit during combat ops. The pilot’s in a spacesuit; why worry about holding an atmosphere inside the glass? It’s just one more thing that can go wrong.
According to the official blog, episode 18 will be entirely from the Cylon point of view, specifically about what happens to Boomer after she gets shot (by Cally) and wakes up on Caprica.
And that was supposed to be spoiler-boxed. Could someone direct a mod to the thread and ask them to hide that sentence following “specifically about”? Thanks.
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Yes, that’s what I’ve been saying all along. My point is, if it’s so difficult to start production, it doesn’t make sense to try to replicate exsisting humans. They’d have to build a perfect copy, probably right down to the genetic level, without being able to study the original in detail. (They can’t disappear the original until the replacement is ready to roll.) In the time it takes to make the copy, the original is going to change physically in all sorts of ways that make the copy obsolete, and may lose the position that made him worth copying in the first place. Plus, how do they copy all his memories? Unless they can find someone who has no relatives or close friends, it’s only a matter of time before they’re found out. And how many people of power and importance are going to match that profile? If it’s so hard to make a new model, they’re not going to waste one on a low-level peon like a raptor pilot or press aide. Instead, you make original models and infiltrate them into all levels of society, and see how high they can rise before you start the invasion.
Sorry, I don’t follow you. Adama can’t be a Cylon because he served in the first Cylon War, before the human-looking Cylons even exsisted. I don’t see how that tells us anything about how the new breed of Cylons develop.
The pilot might need to pick his nose.
You have two pressure systems that must fail before the pilot dies.
I was wondering about that…was the Mercury capsule pressurized?
Exactly. If Cylons were created “grown up”, he could have been replaced by one.
I thought it was established that the Cylons were more vulnerable to radiation than humans are–back in the miniseries, on that planet inside the “ion storm” (or whatever the frak it was) where they went to resupply and found a “Leoben Conoy” model.
Only that one particular form of radiation in the atmosphere of the gas giant the Ragnar Anchorage munitions facility was in orbit around.
It was kinda lame, but what are you gonna do?