As before, I’m padding the thread with a content-free OP to preserve our dewicate widdle UK dopers from accidental mouseover spoilage.
If it’s been aired, it doesn’t need to be boxed. If you have solid information about a future episode, box it. If you’re speculatin’, no need to box. If you’re speculatin’ based on solid future information, box it.
Okay. So.
Starbuck and Helo are on Caprica, hangin’ with the homeboys. Looks like Kara’s lookin’ to get jiggy with the Joe Montana of Pyramid.
Galactica Boomer, she daid. Other Boomers, no doubt soon to appear. Questions abound about how they’ll handle this thread of the story.
Baltar thinks he knows how many Cylons there are in the fleet, but one wonders just how useful “eight” is as a datum.
Tyrol: all kinds of messed up, not least because Cally’s gone all Jack Ruby.
Adama: up and around. Tigh probably not happy to have the old man witness to the mess he’s made of things, but definitely happy to hand off responsibility.
Apollo: on the run with Roslin, Zarek, & co. (Speaking of Zarek: I’m curious to know if he’s given more than two seconds of thought to the fate of the prisoners on the ship where he was being held since he got off it. Hmmm.)
Dualla and Gaeta: nudge nudge, wink wink, do you know what’s going on, no, not me, not at all, say no more.
Billy: on the bubble.
And according to the preview, Starbuck’s gonna learn something important about the Cylons’ plan for humanity. The title, I think, is a pretty big giveaway.
I miss anything?
(By the way, somebody make a note of the survivor count at the beginning of the show.)
Starbuck was the most abused as a child in the fleet!
I knew there was something “not right” about the Doc on Caprica, things were too perfect, too quiet…
so is Starbuck in for a “Firmware Upgrade”, or is it possible she’s not obsessed with grilled bread products…
whoa, 24 ships fell for the religious crap, frak…
so, is Meatbag Caprica-Boomer able to disobey her programming, or will she wind up just like Galactica-Boomer
it’d be nice to have a “backdoor” into the Cylon’s mindset
y’know, fragmenting/decentralizing the fleet might work
why’d Starbuck suddenly latch on so solidly to whatzisname-Pyramid Guy so strongly…
how will the Heavy Raider (Band name!) make it back to Galactica without getting fragged (or would that be Frakked?) by the Galactica’s Mass-Driver batteries…
I knew as soon as the Doctor called her “Starbuck” he was busted.
Really cool episode though. Kinda slow the first half, but the second half really picked up.
I’m thinking the Boomer model, if not properly indoctrinated, can disobey orders. OTHO, getting Starbuck back to Kobol with the arrow could still be part of the plan.
MacTech it looks like Starbuck doesn’t know where the Galactica is now, but she probably knows where Kobol is. If not, Boomer probably does, so it looks like they’re headed there first.
Pretty good ep, much improved on last week’s exposition-fest. Starbuck is obviously knocked up now, but . . . sigh, useless soap opera bullshit ahead . . . will decide to keep the baby because maybe it’ll turn out to be a second-rate pyramid player instead of a toaster. Feh, they’d better make it more interesting than that.
Speaking of interesting, I must say that the Boomer stuff definitely fit the bill. Nice having Sharon show up as the deus ex machina, and very interesting that everyone is getting just a little too comfortable having a Cylon hanging around instead of plugging her into the wall and tossing her into a bathtub. One of the things that hooked me first season was the human-cylon interplay, the questioning of what it means to be human. Good stuff.
Also, the episode greatly benefited from the complete absence of Gaius/Six pontification. Please, Mr. Moore, use it in moderation from now on.
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So, a question: When Starbuck woke up at the hospital, the doctor told her a big guy brought her in, guy named Anders. Used to play pyramid. How’d the doctor know that? Do the Cylons know about Anders leading the resistance group? How?
Also interesting at the end, when Boomer was explaining that she and Helo were different, conceiving a child out of love, then went on to tell Starbuck the Cylons knew about her, that she was special, Leoben told her.
So, it would seem Leoben had no reason to be afraid, his “soul” did make it back to the Cylons, and he was able to share information with the rest. Even Caprica Boomer, who you’d think would have been out of the Cylon loop.
Gaius - “I think we should fantasize about other people.”
When I saw the Doctor, my first thought was “Probably a Cylon”.
Also, how long has it been since Adama was shot. The first three episodes seemed to take place on the same day. Some time has had to pass since then, because Adama has made too good a recovery for it to have been anything less then a week.
It’s been at least a week, because Tigh and Gaeta were saying that it was “last week” when Roslin disappeared via Cloud Nine.
This was a pretty good ep; some plot movement, some surprises, some action. The heavy raider effects in the last few minutes looked kind of rushed, though.
And how about Adama breaking down over Boomer in the morgue? Who saw that coming?
For a while, it felt like I was watching an X-Files episode. I half-expected to see the doctor talking to CBG Spender instead of Six.
Like most others, I knew immediately that the doctor was Cylon. Somehow, it was just obvious.
I doubt Starbuck is knocked up. Scar two was just from tests. Maybe egg harvesting.
The Cylons do know a lot about the resistance camp. Did they already know before they got Starbuck? If so, why’d they let it stay around?
The resistance members seemed way too comfortable with Boomer.
I felt the same way last week when they showed the escape of the Raptor. It looked kind of fakey while still in the docking bay.
Couple more comments:
Apparently H&K has a plant on caprica. One of the soldiers apparently carrying a UMP.
The comment about “We’re just doing things we saw in the movies” made me shout “WOLVERINES!”
Agree that they seem to be a trusting Boomer a bit too much.
I could have swore I heard the doctor say something about Starbuck’s ovaries, but I could be wrong.
Yeah, I got the impression that they maybe took one of Starbuck’s ovaries, and the payoff will be she’ll “have” Cylon-human child(ren) that she’ll run into later. It doesn’t make sense for her to be pg, if they had to hook up the other women to those machines, and still weren’t having success.
I liked the Starbuck story a lot. She’s so tough and capable, and not really feminine, so it had a lot of impact to see her dealing with a uniquely female vulnerability. If I had any doubt that the “hospital” was Cylon, it vanished as soon as they showed the GYN exam.
The Centurion models may not be able to shoot their way out of a wet paper bag, but they’ve seen the Wolverines and killed and captured a few. Maybe they’d interrogated, or fooled, the black woman they captured in the last attack before the “Coma” scene?
I think more than 1 copy of a model can be conscious simultaneously. There are Sixes all over the place, 1 or even 2 in the fleet as well as at least 1 on Caprica. CB might have heard that from a different Leoben. Also, I heard “They told me I’m special” as meaning the same as Six’s earlier comment “That model is defective”.
Was the ship that Starbuck, Helo, and Boomer took a Raptor, like the one CB found Helo with, or a Supersized Cylon model? How’d the Wolverines get it, either way?
I do NOT like the way CB reingratiated herself with the humans - too slick, too soon. Looked like just a way to get a new Boomer into the fleet. She can’t entirely control herself, so why should anyone else treat her with any more trust than Janeway gave Seven of Nine?
Once again, Adama gets the best scene (or maybe Olmos is just the best actor on the show) - weeping over GB’s corpse while thinking of his betrayal by her, by his only remaining son, by a third of the fleet, despite all he’d done.
[HIJACK]Please pardon the hijack, but I just watched the Battlestar miniseries. Is there any particular reason why they call the female officers “Sir” on the show?[/HIJACK]
Pretty good ep. Only the farm scene itself seemed bad to me. I was listening to the podcast and moore commented he really didn’t like the scene either and said he thought it was over the top and kinda cheesy. I wish they hadn’t killed gboomer off so quick. I wanted to see why it is that the sleeper models can go into full cylon mode and execute their plan, then pop right back into full human mode. Where as cboomer knows who she is but apparently has more free will? Unless she is still just carrying out the experiment. The writing so far would lead me to believe that there is definitely a plant in the resistence group and it’s probably Star Bucks new love. I mean her life is total crap so why not pile on some more misery.
Has Olmos lost weight? He looked a lot slimmer in the face.
Addressing items above:
The Cylons probably got the necessary info on the Wolverines from the gal they captured and had wired up to the baby-machine.
CB wasn’t “easily accepted” by the others. If you watched any of the teaser for next week, you saw some of that.
I think Adama breaking down over GB’s corpse (note the autopsy scars) just indicates exactly how much he cares for his crew. He is loyal to them, and expects (and gets) loyalty in return. He mentioned some of this to the Command crew when he returned to CIC for the first time.
The second scar on Kara was indicative of egg harvesting, methinks. Somewhere down the line, the Fleet will encounter Starbuck/Toaster models, which will be the best damn toasters in the Fleet!
CB said she had been following Helo and Starbuck. How, we don’t know. She probably traded in the Raider for a low-milage Cylon StationRaptor, then went on a rescue mission. There will be a lot of insight given into Cylon beliefs if I don’t miss my guess. She set up too many things that people are going to want explained. For sure Adama is going to want to question her closely, trying to understand why she shot him.